

{"id":2903,"date":"2015-09-06T12:09:33","date_gmt":"2015-09-06T10:09:33","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?page_id=2903"},"modified":"2018-04-06T13:33:23","modified_gmt":"2018-04-06T11:33:23","slug":"centrala-termica-incalzire-prin-pardoseala-stage-iii-092015","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?page_id=2903","title":{"rendered":"Centrala termica. Incalzire prin pardoseala -Stage III \u2013 09\/2015"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"fb-root\"><\/div>\n<p>Se apropie finalul. Candva . \u00a0La tara se poate da cu flexul si dupa 10 seara . Nu ca la bloc, gen . Ma rog , la tara in Romania . Unde n-ai casuta langa casuta.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"2904\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?attachment_id=2904#main\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/DSC_1512.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"648,1152\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"DSC_1512\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/DSC_1512-576x1024.jpg\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-2904\" src=\"http:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/DSC_1512-576x1024.jpg\" alt=\"DSC_1512\" width=\"303\" height=\"539\" srcset=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/DSC_1512-576x1024.jpg 576w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/DSC_1512-169x300.jpg 169w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/DSC_1512-640x1138.jpg 640w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/DSC_1512.jpg 648w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 303px) 100vw, 303px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Cateva cuvinte despre elementele instalate:<\/p>\n<p>1) Cazan Viadrus 25KW D5. E mai mult un kit DIY (Do it yourself.). Ma rog, baza e facuta , dar vine fara capace si izolatie montate , fara \u00a0sa aiba termostatul si presostatul montate, fara sa aiba &#8220;automatizarea&#8221; \u00a0termostatica de inchidere a admisiei de aer \u00a0montate.<\/p>\n<p>Nu sunt fantastic de complicat de montat. O exceptie \u00a0o face \u00a0automatizarea asta .<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"2905\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?attachment_id=2905#main\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/DSC_1514.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"648,1152\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"DSC_1514\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/DSC_1514-576x1024.jpg\" class=\"alignleft size-large wp-image-2905\" src=\"http:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/DSC_1514-576x1024.jpg\" alt=\"DSC_1514\" width=\"576\" height=\"1024\" srcset=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/DSC_1514-576x1024.jpg 576w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/DSC_1514-169x300.jpg 169w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/DSC_1514-640x1138.jpg 640w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/DSC_1514.jpg 648w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 576px) 100vw, 576px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Adica chestia aia de plastic gradata , cu tija de care e legat l\u0103n\u021bugul ala. Nu se poate \u00a0monta inainte de a pune capacul , nici dupa, asa cum il vedeti. Cred ca cel mai usor e sa desfaci surubul de sus care tine plasticul ala gradat , si insurubat pe urma , cu c\u00e2l\u021bi \u0219i toate cele.<\/p>\n<p>Daca ai inspiratia nefericita de \u00a0a desface ansambul de sub tija, cu gandul ca insurubezi partea de jos in centrala , iar apoi partea de sus in partea de jos, \u00a0ai sa descoperi ca e un mecanism cu arc si ca e aproape imposibil sa il montezi la loc deoarece trebuie sa presezi arcul fara sa apesi pe capacul de plastic. Se poate , dar va trebui sa il desfaci bucatica cu bucatica si sa te mai ajute cineva. Surubul din capatul \u00a0plasticului gradat ruleaza.<\/p>\n<p>&amp;nbsp<\/p>\n<p>Mai de aproape:<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/wpid-dsc_1526.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full\" title=\"DSC_1526.JPG\" src=\"http:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/wpid-dsc_1526.jpg\" alt=\"image\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Cazanul asta a costat 3100 de lei.L-am luat de la Dedeman, de\u0219i cred ca as fi g\u0103sit mai ieftin la al\u021bii.<br \/>\nAcumulatorul de 500l Vision de la Romstal. 1850 lei. Nu cred ca e cine-stie-ce \u0219mecherie. Suporta presiune 3 atm. Cred ca e sufi.<br \/>\nProblema e alta. Vine cu 8 gauri mari de 35 ( 1 1\/2 \u021boli). Prin doua tragi tur,prin doua retur.<\/p>\n<p>La restul trebuie sa pui dopuri de zinc. Care costa, dar nu cat costa conectorii cot imen\u0219i de zinc #bainene.<br \/>\nAdic\u0103 \u0103\u0219tia.<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/wpid-dsc_1515.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full\" title=\"DSC_1515.JPG\" src=\"http:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/wpid-dsc_1515.jpg\" alt=\"image\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Eu am optat pentru circuit de cupru, pe partea de \u00eenc\u0103lzire, p\u00e2n\u0103 la distribuitor.<br \/>\nCic\u0103 se poate \u0219i pe PPR.<br \/>\nCare are pierderi termice mai mici \u0219i e mai silentioasa. \u0218i durata de viata mai mica \u0219i sufer\u0103 degradare termica din cate \u0219tiu eu de polipropilena, de\u0219i, dac\u0103 pui din aia cu inser\u021bie de carbon, sau metal probabil ca e ok. Cuprul e #forever. Mai mult sau mai pu\u021bin.<\/p>\n<p>Merg\u00e2nd mai departe am luat un distribuitor cu 10 circuite de la Romstal, pe care am dat 860 de lei, plus ceva chestii indispensabile (sub forma de kit) dar pl\u0103tite separat: o pompa de circula\u021bie DAB, o vana de amestec cu 5 cai \u0219i doua manometre, \u0219i debitmetre pe fiecare circuit. \u00cen total vreo 2000 de lei. \u0218tiu sigur ca le puteam face mai ieftin din alta parte, dar nu am g\u0103sit kit ci DYI din piese.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/wpid-wp-1441524531542.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full\" title=\"wp-1441524531542\" src=\"http:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/wpid-wp-1441524531542.jpg\" alt=\"image\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Am luat on boiler termoelectric de 100 litri, cu o serpentina, branduit Vision. Este de fapt produs \u00een Bulgaristan. Eldom.600 de lei. E o pocnitoare, dar voiam ceva cu rezisten\u021b\u0103 electrica de putere, sa se incalzeasca pac-pac! 3kw. CEZ-ul se bucur\u0103!<\/p>\n<p>Pentru recilcularea \u00een centrala (vezi schema 4.0) am luat o pompa grundfos 32\/4.600 \u0219i ceva de lei bucata. La fel \u0219i pentru returul boilerului. Pentru boiler este un overkill, nu e nevoie de asa ceva. O chestie mica de 200-300 de lei era suficienta, ca \u0219i dac\u0103 se strica, boilerul nu e o componenta critica \u00een instala\u021bie. Dar c\u00e2nd am luat-o, aveam \u00een minte schema 3.0, cu pompa 2 \u00een circuitul general. Am vrut circuite largi, de debit mare, ca sa ma \u00eenc\u0103lzesc cat ai pocni din degete. Mai am \u00een plan, peste cine \u0219tie cat timp sa ma leg la derivatia boilerului cu o solara&#8230; Dar asta e altceva.<\/p>\n<p>Problema reala <em>e banii<\/em>.<br \/>\nCand faci circuite de diametru mare, sa zicem peste un \u021bol. Costurile cresc sim\u021bitor. Iar banii ma dor :).<br \/>\nCam asa arata o supa de sens pe un \u021bol \u0219i jum\u0103tate \u0219i cam la fel de mul\u021bi bani cati \u00eencap \u00een mana.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/wpid-wp-1441527754294.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full\" title=\"wp-1441527754294\" src=\"http:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/wpid-wp-1441527754294.jpg\" alt=\"image\" \/><\/a><br \/>\nSchemei 4.0 ii va urma 4.1, care cuprinde \u0219i un bypass al pompei de recirculare \u00een Cazan cu o \u021beav\u0103 \u0219i o supapa de sens, cu clapeta, ceea ce permite func\u021bionarea centralei gravita\u021bional \u00een caz de se ia curentul.<\/p>\n<p>Am zis func\u021bionarea centralei, \u00een circuitul Cazan &#8211; acumulator de apa, nu \u0219i \u00eenc\u0103lzirea \u00een pardoseala, deoarece acolo e alta situa\u021bia, deci tot voi avea nevoie de ceva backup la curent, dar ma intereseaz\u0103, pana ma ocup de asta (va mai dura) sa nu \u00eemi bubuie cazanul \u00een caz de ceva avarie, ori curent, ori pompa de circula\u021bie. Vorba aia, fiarele se strica.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/wpid-wp-1441528017431.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full\" title=\"wp-1441528017431\" src=\"http:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/wpid-wp-1441528017431.jpg\" alt=\"image\" \/><\/a><br \/>\nAm \u00eenceput sa scriu asta acum o s\u0103pt\u0103m\u00e2n\u0103. Situa\u021bia \u00een teren e avansata. Am sa o descriu complet la terminare.<br \/>\nPana una alta mi-a crescut un co\u0219&#8230;<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/wpid-wp-1441528376058.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full\" title=\"wp-1441528376058\" src=\"http:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/wpid-wp-1441528376058.jpg\" alt=\"image\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>E f\u0103cut din segmente ca astea.<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/wpid-wp-1441528424160.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full\" title=\"wp-1441528424160\" src=\"http:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/wpid-wp-1441528424160.jpg\" alt=\"image\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Foarte dure, con\u021bin siliciu, par\u021bial deja sticlificat. L-am pus pe o baza de beton armat de 100&#215;100 cm, s\u0103pat la ad\u00e2ncime de 70cm. Cred ca era mai bine 1m, dar conform calculelor de masa, ar trebui sa fie ok.<\/p>\n<p>Mai e un soclu de 40x40x40 cm de beton deasupa, pe care e construit efectiv co\u0219ul din elemente ca \u00een poza. De la sol pana la v\u00e2rf are un pic peste 7 metri.<\/p>\n<p>Elementele astea au diametrul golului cilindric interior de 24 cm, iar ele au, parca, latura p\u0103tratului exterior de 38 cm.<\/p>\n<p>Ce am mai schimbat este vasul de expansiune al sistemului termic, de 50 litri. Cel de 25 proiectat ini\u021bial e insuficient la volumul de apa.<\/p>\n<p>Ar mai fi de zis de alimentarea cu apa. Ar trebui sa fac o pagina separata dar mi-e lene.<br \/>\nPe scurt:<\/p>\n<p>Schema e compusa din :<br \/>\n-1 bucata pompa sumersibiloasa Wasserkonig wk6000. Pompeaz\u0103 apa chiar \u0219i de la ad\u00e2ncimea de 80m. Irelevant c\u00e2nd eu am luciul apei la 7 m, daaar, pana la ad\u00e2ncimea de 29m (Aka 3atm) pompeaz\u0103 cca 6.0 metri cubi pe ora, cam 100 litri pe minut. Va \u00eenec, Bah.<\/p>\n<p>Termin apa din pu\u021b \u00een juma de ora, probabil.<br \/>\nNu ai nevoie de asa ceva pentru apa menajera. Dar vreau sa am \u0219i casa, \u0219i gradina alimentate asa, \u00een sistem mereu sub presiune. Ceea ce duce la:<br \/>\n-1 buc. vas de expansiune 80l. Mai mare nu \u00eemi \u00eencape \u00een camera tehnica.<br \/>\nCu presostat + manometru.<br \/>\n-1 bucata supapa de sens de 1 \u021bol \u0219i un sfert montata fix deasupra pompei, \u00een pu\u021b. Motivul: coloana de apa, cu tot cu presiune, va Apas\u0103 pe supapa, nu pe pompa, atunci c\u00e2nd pompa e oprita.<br \/>\n\u00cen plus, nu vreau ca posibilele excedente de presiune din Instala\u021bia casei sa \u00eemping\u0103 apa \u00eenapoi prin pompa.<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Mai multe buc\u0103\u021bi robine\u021bi, coturi, teuri \u0219i tot ce mai trebuie, pe care le voi explica c\u00e2nd va fi totul gata \u0219i pompa montata \u0219i func\u021bional\u0103.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Continuare\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?p=3153\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">aici<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?p=3756\">iar apoi, aici&#8230;<\/a><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>Update 2018. Aprilie.\u00a0 S-a spart balonul ( membrana) la vasul de expansiune VAV080. Asociez asta cu faptul ca anul trecut am crescut\u00a0 intervalul presiunii de lucru de la 1.2 &#8211; 2.2 atm la 2.2 &#8211; 3.0 atm.<\/p>\n<p>Am sa mai incerc\u00a0 o data cu alta membrana. Daca face la fel am sa abordez alta solutie constructiva cu vas de expansiune fara membrana.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Se apropie finalul. Candva . \u00a0La tara se poate da cu flexul si dupa 10 seara . Nu ca la bloc, gen . Ma rog&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"parent":637,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","template":"","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-2903","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/P4Eq23-KP","jetpack-related-posts":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/2903","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=2903"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/2903\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":11014,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/2903\/revisions\/11014"}],"up":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/637"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=2903"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}