

{"id":13800,"date":"2024-11-25T01:49:52","date_gmt":"2024-11-25T01:49:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?p=13800"},"modified":"2024-11-06T19:33:08","modified_gmt":"2024-11-06T19:33:08","slug":"treburi-de-pensionari-asf-si-azt","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?p=13800","title":{"rendered":"Treburi de pensionari: ASPP si AZT"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"fb-root\"><\/div>\n\n<p>Am pilonul de pensie privata la Allianz. Asa m-au repartizat, nu am&nbsp; optat eu nimic, ca nu aveam pofta de ei nici de altii cand am fost intrebat. Mai ales ca eu nu aveam un loc de munca pe vremea aia si ei ma intrebau la gramada pe strada unde vreau sa am pensia privata, care mai de care sa ma inscriu la ei, ca nu doare.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ma uitam la ei la modul &#8220;ba, vreti bataie? Ce pula mea pensie, eu sunt un fel de student&#8221; Si m-au pus automat la primul job. Bun. Am primit o singura data un plic de la AZT in care imi scriau acolo contributiile si cum sa intru in cont. Si am intrat cu ceva parola initiala pe care nu am schimbat-o niciodata. Dupa care nu a mai mers si am sunat la ei. Mi-au spus sa merg la oficiul din pula mea cu buletin si nu mai stiu ce. Muie.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Anul asta am sunat la ei, le-am dat mail, le-am dat si acatiste. No answer.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Urmatorul pas era sa merg sa vorbesc cu PF Daniel sa ma ajute cu o manevra la al de sus, da&#8217; am dat cumva peste un link catre <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/asfromania.ro\/scr\/petitiiFP\">un formular<\/a><\/strong> de pe pagina ASF ( astia sunt inutilii aia care reglementeaza toate asigurarile) zilele trecute, care promit ca daca&nbsp; nu stii unde ai fondul si cum sa intri, bagi un contact si te cauta cineva.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Zis si facut.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Am primit in cateva zile un mail de la Allianz&nbsp; &#8220;AZT VIITORUL TAU&#8221; (hahahaha, ce trolaj) in care imi spun ce si cum sa fac sa accesez contul meu la ei. Si mi-a crescut elanul cat si renul si mi-am intins aripile sa zbor spre infinit.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1814\" height=\"506\" data-attachment-id=\"13801\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?attachment_id=13801#main\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Access-la-pensii.png\" data-orig-size=\"1814,506\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Access la pensii\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Access-la-pensii-300x84.png\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Access-la-pensii-1024x286.png\" src=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Access-la-pensii.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-13801\" srcset=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Access-la-pensii.png 1814w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Access-la-pensii-300x84.png 300w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Access-la-pensii-768x214.png 768w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Access-la-pensii-1024x286.png 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1814px) 100vw, 1814px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Mai intai de toate siteul merge doar cu www. in fata &#8211; welcome to 1998.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"943\" height=\"254\" data-attachment-id=\"13802\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?attachment_id=13802#main\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/paginaazt.png\" data-orig-size=\"943,254\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"paginaazt\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/paginaazt-300x81.png\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/paginaazt.png\" src=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/paginaazt.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-13802\" srcset=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/paginaazt.png 943w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/paginaazt-300x81.png 300w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/paginaazt-768x207.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 943px) 100vw, 943px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Dar asta e marunta. Apoi&nbsp; am incercat parola initiala &#8211; tot aia de-o stiam si eu. Evident ca nu merge. Dupa 3 incercari gresite (trei) contul blocat 24 de ore .&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Le-am dat un reply ( civilizat, nu cum ma port eu de obicei) pe 14 decembrie la mailul ala si am primit raspuns.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Nu vedeti nimic scris mai departe? Pai, pentru ca nu am primit raspuns.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Si nu mai stau nici eu dupa ei, nu exista speran\u021b\u0103.&nbsp; ( 2019<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"751\" height=\"192\" data-attachment-id=\"13803\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?attachment_id=13803#main\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Speranta-Romaniei.png\" data-orig-size=\"751,192\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Speranta Romaniei\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Speranta-Romaniei-300x77.png\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Speranta-Romaniei.png\" src=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Speranta-Romaniei.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-13803\" srcset=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Speranta-Romaniei.png 751w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Speranta-Romaniei-300x77.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 751px) 100vw, 751px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p>I-am sunat, c\u00e2ndva anul viitor \u0219i am primit r\u0103spuns. Pe mail. I-am mai sunat o dat\u0103, c\u0103 iar n-am mai putut accesa. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p>De atunci, am monitorizat treaba asta.  \u00cen 2019 aveam \u00een AZT vreo 42,000 de lei. \u00cen urma contribu\u021biilor stabilite legal pentru \u00eencasarea dividendelor conform plafoanelor, p\u00e2n\u0103 la final de 2023 contribu\u021bii la 12 salarii minime, dupa la 24, situa\u021bia st\u0103 a\u0219a.  La final de 2023 aveam \u00een cont 62,000 de lei \u0219i ceva, la 15 octombrie 2025 &#8211; probabil situa\u021bia p\u00e2n\u0103 la final de an aproape 70,000 de lei. <br \/><br \/>Proiec\u021bia de acumulare pensii \u00een condi\u021biile de contributivate ca p\u00e2n\u0103 acum p\u00e2n\u0103 prin 2045 , adic\u0103 pe la 60 \u0219i ceva de ani, ar urca pe la echivalentul a 79,000 de euro, la cursul de acum &#8211; mi-e greu s\u0103 g\u00e2ndesc \u00een lei, \u00eens\u0103 acumularea e \u00een lei, cu infla\u021bia de rigoare. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ce s\u0103 spun , dup\u0103 vreo 14 ani de cotizare la diferite valori mai s\u0103race sau mai bogate, nu-s musai mul\u021bumit, dar contribu\u021bia e normat\u0103 la 3.75% din venitul impozabil deci practic , ar trebui s\u0103 \u201dam\u201d \u00een fondul de stat o sum\u0103 de vreo 400,000 lei deja de acum  care este c\u00e2t toat\u0103 proiec\u021bia de acumulare  \u00een pensia privat\u0103.  Acestea fiind zise, pe la 60 \u0219i ceva de ani, \u00een ritmul curent de cotizare ar trebui s\u0103 am aproape 3 milioane de lei &#8211; ce-o \u00eensemna aia, la ambele fonduri, \u00een total. <br \/><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1215\" height=\"916\" data-attachment-id=\"28958\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?attachment_id=28958#main\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-45.png\" data-orig-size=\"1215,916\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-45-480x362.png\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-45.png\" src=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-45.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-28958\" srcset=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-45.png 1215w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-45-480x362.png 480w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-45-200x151.png 200w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-45-768x579.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1215px) 100vw, 1215px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Tot ce pot spune pe tem\u0103 e c\u0103 n-o s\u0103 cer <a href=\"https:\/\/www.avocatnet.ro\/articol_60788\/Din-2024-mai-mul%C8%9Bi-bani-din-contribu%C8%9Bia-la-pensie-se-duc-la-pensia-privat%C4%83-obligatorie-Preciz%C4%83rile-importante-ale-CNPP-in-acest-context.html\">m\u0103rirea procentului de contribu\u021bie la privat<\/a>, probabil c\u0103 nici nu o s\u0103 m\u0103 angajez prea cur\u00e2nd pe permanent \u0219i nu \u0219tiu dac\u0103 o s\u0103 \u00eemi cresc contribu\u021bia \u00een Rom\u00e2nia, o s\u0103 am contribu\u021bii mai multe prin \u021b\u0103ri diferite probabil, momentan merge \u00een dou\u0103, dar nu o s\u0103 stau dup\u0103 pensia de stat sau privat\u0103. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dac\u0103  stau s-o calculez, suma acumulat\u0103 69k , vs suma depus\u0103 41k  indic\u0103 un profit cumulat de 68% \u00een 10 ani. Nu e mult, dar nici pu\u021bin. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><br \/>C\u0103 pe partea cealalt\u0103 nici nu m\u0103 pot l\u0103uda c\u0103 m\u0103 descurc mult mai bine pe privat, pe ac\u021biuni \u0219i alte investi\u021bii.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Slab \u0219i forte slab, dragi tovar\u0103\u0219i. Asta \u00een cazul \u00een care v\u0103 f\u0103cea\u021bi iluzii c\u0103 m\u0103 d\u0103 bog\u0103\u021bia afar\u0103 din cas\u0103. Doar c\u00e2\u0219tig bini\u0219or. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A se nota c\u0103 eu cred c\u0103 interven\u021bia \u0219i sperietoarea PSD \u00een schem\u0103 a fost de bun augur, \u00eentruc\u00e2t \u00een perioada 2015 -2018 ( n-a fost criz\u0103 sau ceva), majoritatea fondurilor private \u0219i-au b\u0103tut joc de rentabilitate &#8211; jaf \u0219i alta nu.  Cu excep\u021bia anului 2022 care a fost na\u0219pa din mai mule motive, profitul din 2019 ( graficul de mai jos e o medie pe toate fondurile) a fost de bun sim\u021b. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A se nota c\u0103 e \u00een lei \u0219i e afectat de infla\u021bie semnificativ.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"800\" height=\"449\" data-attachment-id=\"28964\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?attachment_id=28964#main\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-46.png\" data-orig-size=\"800,449\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-46-480x269.png\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-46.png\" src=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-46.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-28964\" srcset=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-46.png 800w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-46-480x269.png 480w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-46-200x112.png 200w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-46-768x431.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/figure>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Am pilonul de pensie privata la Allianz. 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