

{"id":17923,"date":"2020-07-06T18:14:23","date_gmt":"2020-07-06T17:14:23","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?p=17923"},"modified":"2020-07-07T16:41:22","modified_gmt":"2020-07-07T15:41:22","slug":"statistici-de-sezon-un-grafic-interesant","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?p=17923","title":{"rendered":"Statistici de sezon. Un grafic interesant"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"fb-root\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>In virturea  panicii alora care mai stati acasa cand va uitati la numarul de cazuri cum creste ma simt sa va intreb daca stiti sa cititi date?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1450\" height=\"1920\" data-attachment-id=\"17924\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?attachment_id=17924#main\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/image-8.png\" data-orig-size=\"1665,2205\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image-8\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/image-8-362x480.png\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/image-8-1450x1920.png\" src=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/image-8-1450x1920.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-17924\" srcset=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/image-8-1450x1920.png 1450w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/image-8-362x480.png 362w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/image-8-151x200.png 151w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/image-8-768x1017.png 768w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/image-8-1160x1536.png 1160w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/image-8-1546x2048.png 1546w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/image-8.png 1665w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1450px) 100vw, 1450px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Graficele astea le-am luat eu de <a href=\"https:\/\/www.graphs.ro\/covid_pe_zi.php?range=365\">aici<\/a>   si le-am suprapus in paint. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> Sunt destul de misto f\u0103cute \u0219i mai intereseante dec\u00e2t alea de pe worldometers dintr-un punct de vedere. Prezint\u0103 si evolu\u021bia num\u0103rului de teste , chiar \u0219i unele mai interesante care arat\u0103 c\u0103 \u00een Rom\u00e2nia au fost la un moment dat <a href=\"https:\/\/www.graphs.ro\/covid_carantina.php?range=365\">25,000 de oameni <s>\u00een carantina institu\u021bionalizat\u0103<\/s>  pe arest  <\/a> \u0219i <a href=\"https:\/\/www.graphs.ro\/covid_izolare.php?range=365\">120,000 de oameni<\/a><s> \u00een izolare for\u021bat\u0103<\/s> pe arest la domiciliu ( asta ca sa v\u0103 uita\u021bi cu aten\u021bie la ni\u0219tre cifre c\u00e2nd o \u00eenjura\u021bi pe Renate Weber \u0219i pe aia de la CC )<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Eu am trasat ni\u0219te limii sumare de interpretare intuitiv\u0103, c\u0103 vorbim de diferen\u021be de ordine de m\u0103rime.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Impresia curent\u0103 e c\u0103 uite, a crescut num\u0103rul cazurilor noi de covid \u0219i chiar \u0219i rata de detec\u021bie e pe cre\u0219tere ( \u0103sta e un indicator care \u021bine de multe aspecte printre care metodele folosite pentru selec\u021bia pacien\u021bilor testa\u021bi) deci e groas\u0103, e mai groas\u0103 dec\u00e2t \u00een aprilie. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Graficul asta cu cazurile noi e realist doar dac\u0103 admitem c\u0103 au fost descoperite \u0219i raportate prin testare \u0219i simptomatologie TOATE cazurile de covid. Conform statelor din Vest e destul de greu credibil, \u00een UK , Germania \u0219i Suedia s-a estimat c\u0103 num\u0103rul real al bolnavilor ar putea fi de 10 ori mai mare dec\u00e2t cel raportat. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u00cen Rom\u00e2nia nu \u0219tim dac\u0103  abaterea standard sistematic\u0103 e chiar de 1000%, probabil <strong> c\u0103 nu<\/strong>, c\u0103 \u00een afar\u0103 de chinezi \u0219i probabil de bulgari nu \u0219tiu dac\u0103 mai sunt alte state care \u0219i-au permis  arestarea a undeva la  mai bine de 0,1% din popula\u021bia \u021b\u0103rii \u00een scopul limit\u0103rii r\u0103sp\u00e2ndirii. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Dac\u0103 abaterea<\/strong> ar fi  fost at\u00e2t de mare, ar fi \u00eensemnat c\u0103 \u00een perioada \u00een care se f\u0103ceau circa 3,000 de teste pe zi \u0219i se descopereau circa 300 de covida\u021bi  (10-15% grad de confirmare) zilnic s\u0103 fi existat undeva la  3000 de cazuri pe zi reale,  caz care ar fi indicat c\u0103 utiliz\u00e2nd aceea\u0219i metod\u0103 de depistare procentul de depistare din teste ar fi r\u0103mas \u00een acela\u0219i ordin de m\u0103rime ( 1.5%-15%) p\u00e2n\u0103 pe la 30k teste pe zi. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ceea ce ar fi \u00eensemnat c\u0103 cu circa 8000-12000 de teste pe zi, ar fi descoperit undeva intre 700 &#8211; 1000 de cazuri.   Iar acum sunt intre 250-400 depista\u021bi cu acela\u0219i num\u0103r de teste.  <br \/>La o abatere mai mic\u0103, s\u0103 zicem de 100% ( probabil c\u0103 de-a lungul timpului abaterea nu e o constant\u0103, dar de aia se calculeaz\u0103 abatere medie), adic\u0103 la 300 de bolnavi depista\u021bi s\u0103 mai fie 300 sc\u0103pa\u021bi prin filtru ( c\u0103 dac\u0103 nu ar fi, nu ai mai avea transmisie la cum s-au manifestat autorit\u0103\u021bile din Rom\u00e2nia) &#8211; ar \u00eensemna ca  rata curenta de pozitivitate sa fi fost atinse la un 8000-12000 de teste pe zi. Ceva de genul. \u0218i cam pe acolo pare s\u0103 fie graficul doar c\u0103 num\u0103rul total de depista\u021bi la 8000-12000 de teste e mai mic decat numarul de bolnavi depistati anterior la un numar mai mic de teste, ceea ce , pe undeva poate sugera un pool mai mare de bolnavi nedepistati anterior, decat acum. Care inseamna tot o oarecare distorsiune care ne face s\u0103 percepem num\u0103rul de noi infectati de acum mai mare decat este raportat la realitate &#8211; pe care nu o cunoastem, avem doar date de sondaj. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Pentru abateri mai mici de 100%, graficul e doar mai aproape de realitate. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Prin urmare, poza exprima realitatea doar daca crezi  c\u0103 num\u0103rul bolnavilor depista\u021bi, raporta\u021bi, a fost relativ apropiat de cel real. Dar nu stim, c\u0103 nu avem cum. Dac\u0103 e a\u0219a, atunci riscul e destul de mare ca acum s\u0103 se \u00eemboln\u0103veasc\u0103 mai mul\u021bi dec\u00e2t \u00eenainte, pentru c\u0103 \u00eenseamn\u0103 c\u0103 bazinul total al persoanelor care au luat contact cu virusul e mic, ceea ce \u00eenseamn\u0103 c\u0103 pula imunizare de turm\u0103. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Daca nu, inseamna c\u0103 v\u0103 speriati degeaba, ca inca nu e groasa. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Oricum ar fi problema e ca ceea ce se prezinta ca factfulness  e doar o perceptie si interpretarea fiecaruia tine de unghiul din care se uita. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In virturea panicii alora care mai stati acasa cand va uitati la numarul de cazuri cum creste ma simt sa va intreb daca stiti sa&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":17966,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[614,571,1],"tags":[3796],"class_list":["post-17923","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-bio","category-life-log","category-uncategorized","tag-covid-19"],"views":1611,"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/graph.png","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p4Eq23-4F5","jetpack-related-posts":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/17923","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=17923"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/17923\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":17925,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/17923\/revisions\/17925"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/17966"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=17923"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=17923"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=17923"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}