

{"id":23230,"date":"2022-10-22T11:19:07","date_gmt":"2022-10-22T10:19:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?p=23230"},"modified":"2022-10-17T08:20:47","modified_gmt":"2022-10-17T07:20:47","slug":"iar-cu-amagirea-si-cu-creditele","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?p=23230","title":{"rendered":"Iar cu am\u0103girea \u0219i cu creditele"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"fb-root\"><\/div>\n\n<p>In Rom\u00e2nia creditarea a fost mereu \u00een g\u0103leat\u0103 c\u0103 suntem genul \u0103la de \u021bar\u0103 unde stabilitatea politicilor economice \u0219i bonitatea\/ ratingul de \u021bar\u0103 sunt cuvinte din alea de le cau\u021bi prin dic\u021bionar ca s\u0103 le folose\u0219ti s\u0103 zic\u0103 lumea  c\u0103 e\u0219ti cult. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>De aia \u0219i \u00een vremurile bune , dob\u00e2nzilela ipotecare  in Rom\u00e2nia erau de 4-5% la euro \u0219i 6-8% la lei , a\u021bi v\u0103zut filmul \u0103la Risk Max cu Van Damme? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u00cens\u0103 <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/pressone.ro\/cum-se-calculeaza-ircc-dobanda-credite\" target=\"_blank\">PressOne<\/a>  fac pe sp\u0103l\u0103torii de veceuri cu articolul lor despre cum pesede e r\u0103u \u0219i IRCC-ul e o p\u0103c\u0103leal\u0103 c\u0103 vai, ajunge tot ca ROBORul. Nu \u0219tiu cine \u00eei pl\u0103te\u0219te sa scrie gunoiul \u0103la de articol dar sunt c\u00e2teva lucruri de contrazis. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>PSD au avut dreptate de data asta.  Nu c\u0103 e IRCC miraculos , cum a fost marketat , dar pentru piata de credite din Rom\u00e2nia e mai bun dec\u00e2t ROBORul.  Scriitorul articolului zice c\u0103 invers c\u0103 ROBOR \u00ee\u021bi d\u0103 o indica\u021bie asupra viitorului , pe c\u00e2nd IRCC e din trecut, prin urmare ai tendin\u021ba s\u0103 iei decizii pe date care apar\u021bin trecutului. Sigur, din perspectiva asta au dreptate , dar nu te opre\u0219te nimeni s\u0103 te ui\u021bi la ROBOR, la pizdor, la dob\u00e2nda de referin\u021b\u0103 a BNR, la infla\u021bie la ce vrea pula ta. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Importan\u021ba indicilor pentru creditacul simplu e &#8220;c\u00e2t pl\u0103te\u0219te la rat\u0103&#8221; , iar ROBOR a fost demonstrat <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/economie.hotnews.ro\/stiri-finante_banci-23105173-daniel-zamfir-robor-fost-manipulat-propunem-demiterea-presedintelui-consiliului-concurentei-solicitat-guvernatorului-bnr-sanctioneze-nicolae-cinteza-seful-directiei-supraveghere.htm\/amp\" target=\"_blank\">c\u0103 ROBOR a fost m\u00e2n\u0103rit, <\/a> c\u0103 e <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.bursa.ro\/lucian-isar-robor-poate-fi-manipulat-in-sus-si-in-jos-relativ-usor-42024637\" target=\"_blank\">u\u0219or de manipulat<\/a> , anume declari dob\u00e2nzi interbancare , dar nu te \u00eemprumu\u021bi niciodat\u0103 la ratele alea, sau nu te \u00eemprumu\u021bi \u0219i pace.  \u0218i trebuie s\u0103 fii jegos \u0219i cu m\u0103-ta curva s\u0103 spui altceva, c\u00e2nd toat\u0103 lumea a aflat de un deceniu   de manevrele astea ( retro 2008) . <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>IRCC e mai cinstit, c\u0103 se bazeaz\u0103 pe cifrele care s-au \u00eent\u00e2mplat, e mai complicat s\u0103 min\u021bi c\u0103 te-ai \u00eemprumutat \u0219i e mai greu de m\u00e2n\u0103rit. Muta responsabilitatea la b\u0103nci. Pe sistem i-auzi, pula mea, deci zici c\u0103 dob\u00e2nda interbancar\u0103 la care te \u00eemprumu\u021bi e 36489494% ? Lux, pai hai s\u0103 vedem c\u00e2\u021bi bani \u00eemprumuta\u021bi voi la rata asta \u0219i calcul\u0103m pe urm\u0103 de c\u00e2\u021bi bani \u00eei jupui\u021bi pe creditaci. Aaaa, nimic? Pai atunci muie, r\u0103m\u00e2ne cum am stabilit. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>B\u0103, din perspectiva asta <strong>bravo PSD, <\/strong> muie b\u0103nci, muie ziari\u0219ti incompeten\u021bi sau otr\u0103vi\u021bi. IRCC e mai bun pentru Rom\u00e2nia \u0219i punct. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dup\u0103 aia c\u0103 s\u0103 critice banca na\u021bional\u0103 c\u0103 de ce cresc dob\u00e2nda de referin\u021b\u0103 c\u0103 asta nu \u00eenseamn\u0103 c\u0103 va sc\u0103dea creditarea \u0219i nenea \u0103la nu \u0219tie cum pula mea s\u0103 le spun\u0103 ce trebuie sa le spun\u0103 : Da, b\u0103 , pro\u0219tilor , aia \u00eenseamn\u0103 , \u0219i aia trebuie s\u0103 face\u021bi &#8211; s\u0103 nu mai lua\u021bi credite, mai  \u0219i pl\u0103ti\u021bi la alea pe care le ave\u021bi, mai cump\u0103ra\u021bi \u0219i cu banul jos, c\u0103 de aia avem, \u00een pula mea, infla\u021bie. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dup\u0103 care o baga pe aia cu 700 de mii de \u00eemprumuta\u021bi care pl\u00e2ng c\u0103 nu pot pl\u0103ti.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>B\u0103i, situa\u021bia de acum nu prea se aseam\u0103n\u0103 deloc cu 2007. Dar deloc.  Atunci nu puteai lua credite cu dob\u00e2nzi fixe dec\u00e2t pe perioade promo\u021bionale , chestii gen 6 luni sau plm. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Acum a fost altfel. C\u00e2nd m-am uitat eu ( 2018- 2021 ) erau credite pe pia\u021b\u0103 cu perioade de creditare cu dob\u00e2nd\u0103 fix\u0103 de p\u00e2n\u0103 la 5 ani. Sigur, problema principal\u0103 \u00een Rom\u00e2nia a fost c\u0103 mereu a fost dob\u00e2nda mare, \u0219i c\u00e2nd a fost foarte mic\u0103 \u00een restul lumii, iar pentru asta TOT PSD are meritele majoritare, deci <strong>muie PSD, <\/strong>dar s\u0103 nu \u00eel uit\u0103m pe Is\u0103rescu, c\u0103 are \u0219i el un rol la BNR, nu e glug\u0103 de coceni.  Dobanda mare la modul de-abia \u00ee\u021bi permiteai credite.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Altfel, lucrurile s-au \u00eembun\u0103t\u0103\u021bit, s-au corectat un pic dob\u00e2nzile la lei, au ap\u0103rut creditele garantate de stat ( scheme de ajutor de cump\u0103rare ) de mai bine de 10 ani, au fost condi\u021bionate de contractarea de \u00eemprumuturi \u00een lei , ceea ce e foarte bine(!), Dar nu \u0219tiu dac\u0103 e de ajuns.   In UK nici nu am putut <strong>cere<\/strong>  de undeva \u00eemprumut ipotecar \u00een Euro ( c\u0103 fix c\u0103 a\u0219a f\u0103ceam, c\u0103 sunt handicapat, m\u0103 pi\u0219 pe moneda \u021b\u0103rii \u00een care tr\u0103iesc ); asta in principiu e de r\u0103u, c\u0103 e mai bine s\u0103 ai op\u021biuni, dar c\u00e2nd eu am credit cu dob\u00e2nd\u0103 1.44% fix\u0103 pe 5 ani versus scoruri triple in Rom\u00e2nia  \u00een aceea\u0219i perioad\u0103 \u00een orice moned\u0103 vrea pula ta, e greu s\u0103 fii at\u00e2t de critic. Mai las \u0219i de la mine. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A ap\u0103rut \u0219i \u00een Rom\u00e2nia institu\u021bia d\u0103rii in plat\u0103, care, dac\u0103 ai f\u0103cut o gre\u0219eal\u0103 fatal\u0103, \u00ee\u021bi permite s\u0103 o corectezi cu pierderi, dar m\u0103car nu ramai iobag amanetat pe tot restul vie\u021bii. Dac\u0103 nu cumva ai credit cu garan\u021bie de stat, acolo e mai altfel. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Problema e de principiu.  Dobanzile cresc pentru c\u0103 lumea cere bani \u0219i nu sunt bani. Dac\u0103 lumea nu mai cere bani &#8211; \u00eemprumut &#8211; dob\u00e2nzile SCAD. Treaba e c\u0103 atunci c\u00e2nd dob\u00e2nzile cresc sunt afecta\u021bi cei care DEJA au luat bani \u00eemprumut, de cei care vor s\u0103 ia acuma, c\u0103 asta e treab\u0103 cu dob\u00e2nzile variabile. Eu am fixed p\u00e2n\u0103 \u00een 2026. Un om care vrea sa ia bani \u00eemprumut acum cu 3-3.5% dob\u00e2nd\u0103 nu m\u0103 afecteaz\u0103 pe mine , \u00eei afecteaz\u0103 pe aia care sunt pe tracker. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In 2026 o s\u0103 m\u0103 afecteze , dar \u0219tii ce fac atuncea, m\u00e2nca-ti-a\u0219? Una din dou\u0103. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1)  Dac\u0103 am bani \u0219i e dob\u00e2nda sus,  pl\u0103tesc. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>2) Dac\u0103 nu am bani, v\u00e2nd . Da, na\u0219pa s\u0103 stai pe chirie, dar nu mai na\u0219pa dec\u00e2t s\u0103 fii s\u0103rak \u0219i jumulit \u0219i s\u0103 intri in default.  Na, coaie, facem bara-bara, lua\u021bi-va lirele g\u0103urite \u00eenapoi, eu \u00eemi iau partea mea \u0219i muie, da\u021bi-le \u00eemprumut altor fraieri pe dob\u00e2nzile astea. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Exist\u0103 na, \u0219i varianta 3 in care casele se devalorizeaz\u0103 \u0219i dac\u0103 v\u00e2nd pierd.  Nu cred c\u0103 m\u0103 va afecta pe mine pentru c\u0103 ideea e de c\u00e2nd pierzi mai mult, c\u00e2nd vinzi sau c\u00e2nd trebuie s\u0103 pl\u0103te\u0219ti dob\u00e2nda mare ?  Treaba asta doare , c\u0103 ai un activ depreciat ,nu \u0219tii c\u00e2nd , cu c\u00e2t \u0219i dac\u0103 se mai apreciaz\u0103 \u0219i ai \u0219i un cost la el, care reprezint\u0103 o dob\u00e2nd\u0103. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dac\u0103 nu \u00ee\u021bi permi\u021bi trebuie sa vinzi chiar \u0219i \u00een pagub\u0103 \u0219i nu e nimic nasol aici.  Dac\u0103 \u00ee\u021bi permi\u021bi pl\u0103te\u0219ti costul p\u00e2n\u0103 se vinde mai bine, sau p\u00e2n\u0103 te ridici din c\u0103cat \u0219i dai banii \u00eenapoi, din refinan\u021bare sau buzunar. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Eh, acum op\u021biunile astea cam exist\u0103 \u0219i pentru rom\u00e2ni. Sigur, sunt \u0219i rom\u00e2ni pentru care e mai greu, c\u0103 \u00eenv\u00e2rt sume infime. Adic\u0103 oamenii se pl\u00e2ng c\u0103 nu \u00ee\u0219i permit credite la case de 50,000 -100,000 de euro. In 2022. Bucure\u0219ti. Mai d\u0103-i in s\u0103r\u0103cie c\u0103 astea sunt pre\u021buri sub 2007 \u0219i salarii sensibil mai bune. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>De aia zic , de data asta mai u\u0219or cu t\u00e2nguiala, c\u0103 nu mai e aceea\u0219i schem\u0103, c\u0103 acum 15 ani. Acum trebuie s\u0103 v\u0103 mai \u0219i permite\u021bi criza \u0219i deciziile luate. Sunte\u021bi cu 15 ani mai de\u0219tep\u021bi? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In Rom\u00e2nia creditarea a fost mereu \u00een g\u0103leat\u0103 c\u0103 suntem genul \u0103la de \u021bar\u0103 unde stabilitatea politicilor economice \u0219i bonitatea\/ ratingul de \u021bar\u0103 sunt cuvinte&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":23229,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-23230","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"views":1190,"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/Screenshot_20221002-09241080928129.jpg","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p4Eq23-62G","jetpack-related-posts":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/23230","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=23230"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/23230\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":23327,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/23230\/revisions\/23327"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/23229"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=23230"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=23230"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=23230"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}