

{"id":23524,"date":"2022-11-21T03:16:00","date_gmt":"2022-11-21T03:16:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?p=23524"},"modified":"2022-11-19T20:44:03","modified_gmt":"2022-11-19T20:44:03","slug":"ia-sa-facem-noi-o-romaneasca-teapa-pe-bonduri-cu-vivre","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?p=23524","title":{"rendered":"Ia s\u0103 facem noi o rom\u00e2neasc\u0103: \u021aeap\u0103 pe bonduri cu Vivre"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"fb-root\"><\/div>\n\n<p>Exist\u0103 un motiv foarte solid pentru care dac\u0103 vrei s\u0103 faci plasamente \u00een bonduri sau obliga\u021biuni, o faci \u00een titluri de stat, nu private, unde \u0219tii c\u0103 \u021beapa pe care \u021bi-o iei fute pe toat\u0103 lumea \u0219i se m\u0103soar\u0103 \u00een infla\u021bie care dep\u0103\u0219e\u0219te randamentul obliga\u021biunii, dar la fel schiaun\u0103 to\u021bi, \u00een timp ce tu ai un oarecare offset fa\u021b\u0103 de deprecierea dat\u0103 de dac\u0103 \u021bi-a fi \u021binut banii \u00een cont. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dac\u0103 \u201dinveste\u0219ti\u201d \u00een bonduri private  negarantate, iei pula \u00een m\u00e2n\u0103. Nu ai cum s\u0103 \u0219tii, \u00een primul r\u00e2nd, ce va s\u0103 fac\u0103 societatea respectiv\u0103 cu banii t\u0103i \u0219i ce planuri are dincolo de informa\u021biile publice. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Eu de Vivre \u0219tiu de c\u00e2nd m-am al\u0103turat unor prieteni apropia\u021bi la un start up s\u0103 il cre\u0219tem \u0219i era pe aceea\u0219i ni\u0219\u0103 de afaceri cu care altminteri eu nu a\u0219 fi prea multe de a face. Anterior n-am cump\u0103rat ceva de la Vivre , nici nu \u0219tiam c\u0103 exist\u0103, de\u0219i sunt cel mai mare juc\u0103tor, f\u0103r\u0103 discu\u021bii pe segmentul \u0103sta.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Probabil c\u0103 de asta au \u0219i avut ceva succes bondurile \u0103stea, nu \u0219tiu. Eu, principial am o problem\u0103 \u00een a finan\u021ba pe baz\u0103 de \u00eencredere &#8211; adic\u0103 f\u0103r\u0103 putere de decizie \u0219i implicare efectiv\u0103, orice firmela c\u0103reia \u00eei cre\u0219te cifra de afaceri, dar profitul e pierdere, sau se \u00eenv\u00e2rte \u00een zona de 1% \u0219i sub. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Nu m\u0103 \u00een\u021belege\u021bi gre\u0219it, \u00een\u021beleg foarte, foarte bine optimizarea fiscal\u0103 \u0219i sunt de acord cu ea. Dar eu ca investitor agnostic \u0219i  outsider, trebuie s\u0103-mi v\u0103d banii \u00eenapoi din profit nu din altceva. Pe mine nu m\u0103 pot plimba \u0103ia cu ma\u0219ina firmei, sau s\u0103 m\u0103 trimit\u0103 \u00een vacan\u021be aka vizite de afaceri ca s\u0103, m\u0103 \u00een\u021belegi&#8230; Nu merge. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"601\" height=\"263\" data-attachment-id=\"23525\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?attachment_id=23525#main\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/image-10.png\" data-orig-size=\"601,263\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image-10\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/image-10.png\" src=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/image-10.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-23525\" srcset=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/image-10.png 601w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/image-10-480x210.png 480w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/image-10-200x88.png 200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 601px) 100vw, 601px\" \/><figcaption>Imaginea de pe <a href=\"https:\/\/www.listafirme.ro\/vivre-deco-sa-30010618\/\">listafirme.ro<\/a><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Vivre a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.prwave.ro\/obligatiunile-retailer-ului-online-de-mobila-si-decoratiuni-vivre-deco-debuteaza-la-bvb\/\">listat prima data la bursa obligatiuni <\/a>( <strong> doar obliga\u021biuni, firma fiind de\u021biunut\u0103 privat!)<\/strong> \u00een primul an  cu profit >1% ( 2 \u0219i ceva), 2020, c\u00e2nd unii rom\u00e2ni acumulau valut\u0103 \u0219i n-aveau ce s\u0103 fac\u0103 cu ea, o aruncau \u00een cripto, c\u0103 era pandemia, iar ei erau sechestra\u021bi.  Au lansat atunci obliga\u021biuni  denominate <strong>\u00een EURO <\/strong>( e important) pe 5 ani cu dob\u00e2nd\u0103 5.5% stabilit\u0103 de <strong>emitent. <\/strong> Cu ajutorul <a href=\"https:\/\/btcapitalpartners.ro\/\">BT Capital Partners <\/a>, care e compania de brokeraj asociat\u0103 cu Banca Transilvania,  ( cam cum sunt Halifax Share Dealing Limited pentru Banca Halifax din UK  &#8211; sunt singurii pe care ii \u0219tiu eu dintre b\u0103ncile din UK care se ocup\u0103 \u0219i cu brokerajul de ac\u021biuni pentru persoanele fizice, dar e foarte posibil s\u0103 fiu prost informat). <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dob\u00e2nda asta era clar o afacere pentru obliga\u021biuni \u00een euro, c\u0103 infla\u021bia pe euro , nici m\u0103car \u00een 2020% ( aia oficial\u0103), nu a fost at\u00e2t de mare, nicio problem\u0103, a crescut \u00een 2021, 2022 iar din punctul \u0103sta de vedere, dob\u00e2nda asta trebuia s\u0103 fi fost un lux zilele \u0103stea. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Totu\u0219i, nota aceea, \u201estabilit\u0103 de emitent, \u00een lipsa unei garan\u021bii, valoreaz\u0103 c\u00e2t un angajament politic &#8211; <strong>o s\u0103 facem , dac\u0103 o s\u0103 vrem.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chiar a\u0219a , o s\u0103 dau un mail la BT Capital Partners, s\u0103-i \u00eentreb dac\u0103 m\u0103 ajut\u0103 \u0219i pe mine s\u0103 emit ni\u0219te ac\u021biuni de 100 de euro bucata cu dob\u00e2nd\u0103 10% pe an. Nu mult , 1-2 milioane a\u0219a, c\u0103 nu sunt avar. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Au atras a\u0219a vreo 3.5 milioane de euro, nu mult dar nici compania lor nu  f\u0103cea prea multe paie, adic\u0103, ok, ai CA de 80Mil Euro, dar faci profit \u00een general de sub 1 mil de euro pe an, c\u00e2\u021bi bani vrei pe \u00eencredere?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Nu-i bai, c\u0103 dac\u0103 au v\u0103zut c\u0103 treaba mere, bani sunt \u00een pia\u021b\u0103, b\u0103ncile amenin\u021bau cu dob\u00e2nzi negative la euro, nu c\u0103 amenin\u021bau, a\u0219a \u00eemi oferea ING, iar la leu era i<a href=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?p=20990\">nfla\u021bia de 8%<\/a>, ce c\u0103cat s\u0103 faci cu cash-ul acumulat, tot pandemie, tot futaiuri, au mai venit la burs\u0103 \u0219i-au mai umflat <a href=\"https:\/\/www.profit.ro\/insider\/retail\/vivre-deco-vine-la-bursa-cu-noua-emisiune-de-obligatiuni-in-urmatorii-ani-vom-fi-cel-mai-important-marketplace-pe-categoria-si-in-regiunea-din-care-facem-parte-20289538\">7 milioane de euro <\/a>cu aceea\u0219i schem\u0103. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Eu \u0219tiam foarte vag despre administra\u021bia firmei, c\u0103 nici m\u0103car c\u00e2t am fost informat de pozi\u021bia lor \u00een pia\u021b\u0103 nu m-au interesat detaliile despre cine-ce \u0219i nici nu am fost interesat vreodat\u0103 s\u0103 investesc \u00een compania asta, sau, doamne fere\u0219te, s\u0103 cump\u0103r bonduri f\u0103r\u0103 acoperie, doar pe recomandarea BT . Haida,  deh.  Dar \u0219tiam c\u0103 sunt mai mul\u021bi parteneri \u0219i c\u0103 CEO e o tanti care \u00eencepuse s\u0103 participe la o emisiune grinder pentru startupuri care au nevoie de finan\u021bare, Arena Leilor, ca investitor oportunist ( termenul corect e\u201dventure capitalist\u201d, dar nu \u0219tiu cum se traduce), care \u00eei evalua pe participan\u021bi. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Nu \u00eemi pas\u0103 \u0219i nu mi-ar p\u0103sa vreodat\u0103 de asemenea emisiuni, nu m-a\u0219 duce vreodat\u0103 cu ideea mea la televizor s\u0103 se pi\u0219e unii \u201dleii, coaie\u201d ( lupii, b\u0103) pe mine \u00een public, c\u0103 ei au bani \u0219i plm.  Nici n-a\u0219 participa vreodata pe partea de investi\u021bie, dar nici nu pot s\u0103-i judec prea aspru pe cei care o fac , de-o parte \u0219i de alta. At\u00e2ta c\u0103 v\u00e2z\u00e2ndu-i acolo, \u00eent\u00e2mpl\u0103tor \u00een apropierea unui Cr\u0103ciun c\u00e2nd eram la na\u0219i, nolens-volens i-am v\u0103zut \u0219i trebuie c\u0103 i-am judecat. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Doamna CEO nu m-a impresionat nici prin competen\u021b\u0103, nici prin capacitate de a se exprima conving\u0103tor, nici prin nimic &#8211; practic, dac\u0103 \u00een urma aceste experien\u021be a\u0219 fi vrut s\u0103 investesc \u00een bonduri private ( n-a\u0219 vrea, niciodat\u0103), sau s\u0103 cump\u0103r ac\u021biuni \u0219i a\u0219 vedea c\u0103 dumneaei este CEO, a\u0219 spune pas <strong>chiar \u0219i dac\u0103 compania ar fi \u00eenregistrat profituri conving\u0103toare, ceea ce nu e cazul. <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Asta nu \u00eenseamn\u0103 c\u0103 n-o fi competent\u0103 la administrat, sau m\u0103car colectat, a str\u00e2ns de la publicul larg peste 10 milioane de euro \u00een doi ani, asta nu e chiar ignorabil, spun doar c\u0103 nu m-a convins pe mine. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dincolo de asta, ce-i \u201dshabby\u201d la treaba asta e c\u0103 compania nu e \u00een sine listat\u0103 la burs\u0103, ac\u021bionaratul e unul privat, o participa\u021bie mare la grupul Neogen  &#8211; afacerile lor, de\u0219i cu nume sonore, n-au mers fantastic.  Dar oricum, are mai sens s\u0103 cau\u021bi bonduri private de la o companie listat\u0103 la burs\u0103, dac\u0103 tot vrei s\u0103-\u021bi rupi g\u00e2tul cu astea. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>C\u0103 altfel,  Vivre a<a href=\"https:\/\/www.infofinanciar.ro\/primul-default-pentru-investitorii-de-la-bursa-de-valori-bucuresti-ce-companie-a-inregistrat-scaderi-de-70.html\"> anun\u021bat \u00een septembrie<\/a> 2022 pierderi  de vreo 3.5 Mil Euro pe jum\u0103tate de an \u0219i cu asta \u0219i imposibilitatea de a pl\u0103ti randamentele la obliga\u021biuni. I owe You, dar mai t\u00e2rziu, c\u00e2nd s-or mai face banii.  C-o fi r\u0103zboiul, c-or fi fost \u0219i altele, \u021bin\u00e2nd cont c\u0103 firma de auditorul n-a putut prezenta o opinie nici pentru exerci\u021biul financiar anterior, nu se \u0219tie, c\u0103 n-o duc bine, se \u0219tia din mai, c\u0103 avuseser\u0103 pierderi de 17 milioane de euro \u00een 2021, mai mult dec\u00e2t valoarea tuturor bondurilor, nu mai g\u0103sesc link, dar \u0219tiu c\u0103 atunci am citit \u00een vremea aia un articol \u0219i faptul c\u0103 s-a c\u0103rat doamna Cadogan din pozi\u021bia de CEO, iar controlul a trecut la Neogen, care n-are, evident niciun motiv s\u0103 vrea s\u0103  pl\u0103teasc\u0103 fraieri \u0219i s\u0103 suporte ei sarcina. C\u0103 obliga\u021biunile \u0103stea sunt a\u0219a un fel de \u201ddac\u0103 ne mergem bine, \u00ee\u021bi d\u0103m \u0219i \u021bie ceva, dac\u0103 nu ne merge bine, sau \u00ee\u021bi toc\u0103m banii inten\u021bionat, mai sugi si pula\u201d. <br \/>B\u0103, m\u0103 \u00eentreb \u0219i  eu a\u0219a \u00een mintea mea, cum de nu s-a g\u00e2ndit tanti s\u0103 cear\u0103 finan\u021bare la arena leilor. Era o chestie, nu? S\u0103 schimbe un pic rolul de \u201dventure capitalist\u201d, \u00een cel de s\u0103rac cu idei care are nevoie de un partener care s\u0103 se pi\u0219e pe el. Dar b\u0103nuiesc c\u0103 nu merge a\u0219a, c\u00e2nd sunt destui fraieri dispu\u0219i s\u0103 te pi\u0219i tu \u00een capul lor. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>La \u00eenceputul lunii , compania a cerut suspendarea bondurilor, dup\u0103 ce a solicitat \u201dconcordat preventiv\u201d,  care e un act de recunoa\u0219tere a dificult\u0103\u021bilor financiare \u0219i un fel de negociere-t\u00e2rguial\u0103, cu condi\u021bii, mediate \u00eentre companie \u0219i creditori, \u00een vederea evit\u0103rii insolven\u021bei. Adic\u0103 sunt cu un picior \u00een groap\u0103, doar, dar mai au puls \u0219i sunt \u0219anse de ie\u0219it afar\u0103.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ce e remarcabil e c\u0103 au depus un plan de redresare la tribunal \u0219i au declarat reducerea cheltuielilor cu \u201d<a href=\"https:\/\/www.zf.ro\/burse-fonduri-mutuale\/vivre-deco-depune-planul-redresare-tribunalul-bucuresti-bonduri-21303384\">aproape 90%<\/a>\u201d. Nu cunosc nicio firm\u0103 care s\u0103-\u0219i poat\u0103 restructura <strong>func\u021bional <\/strong>activitatea opera\u021bional\u0103 \u00eenc\u00e2t s\u0103 scad\u0103 costurile cu 90%, dar poate Twitter acum, s\u0103 vedem.  Ceea ce pune inevitabil \u00eentrebarea, hai d\u0103-o \u00een pula goal\u0103, pe ce au cheltuit anterior \u0103ia 90%? Doamna exCEO antreprenor de succes presupun c\u0103 nu ar putea r\u0103spunde unei asemnea \u00eentreb\u0103ri c\u0103 nu mai e treaba dumneaei, a livrat succesul, s-a terminat. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> Domnu Fusu de la Neogen , intentioneaz\u0103 , sau a\u0219a arat\u0103 planul de redresare elaborat cu PwC, s\u0103 pl\u0103teasc\u0103 o sum\u0103 mult mai mic\u0103 (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.zf.ro\/burse-fonduri-mutuale\/cel-controversat-caz-bursa-acest-an-mirajul-dobanzilor-mari-bonduri-21331502\"> pe la 4.2%<\/a> ) pentru obliga\u021biuni la maturare, c\u0103 compania e \u00een dificultate, s\u0103 nu intre \u00een insolven\u021b\u0103, n-a emis el alea, greaua mo\u0219tenire, coaie, hai s\u0103 \u0219tergem obliga\u021biunile cu buretele.  Asta, bine\u00een\u021beles trebuie aprobat\u0103 \u0219i de creditori, adic\u0103 s\u0103-\u0219i asume pierderea , d\u0103-i \u00een pizda m\u0103-sii.  BVB a convocat \u0219edin\u021ba pe <a href=\"https:\/\/bvb.ro\/FinancialInstruments\/SelectedData\/NewsItem\/VIV25E-Convocarea-adunarii-generale-a-obligatarilor-20-12-2022\/649D6\">20 Decembrie<\/a>  &#8211; de Cr\u0103ciun , fii mai bun, hai c\u0103 \u0219ti\u021bi refrenul.  Ai cump\u0103rat obliga\u021biuni de la \u0103\u0219tia \u0219i vrei s\u0103 pleci \u00een vacan\u021b\u0103 ? Aa,  sugi pula cu Sana. Oricum, tot aia e. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Presupun c\u0103 creditorii nu vor accepta. Habar nu am , dar a\u0219a b\u0103nuiesc.  Caz \u00een care se va negocia, se va r\u0103s negocia \u0219i dac\u0103 accept\u0103 <strong>VREO<\/strong> propunere de pierdere, c\u0103 c\u00e2\u0219tig nu e,  o s\u0103 o t\u0103r\u0103g\u0103neze a\u0219a \u0219i mai vedem noi \u00een 2025 dac\u0103 mi\u0219c\u0103 tufa de ceva. Dac\u0103 nu, insolven\u021ba, taic\u0103, un succes r\u0103sun\u0103tor marca Neogen, parc\u0103 a\u0219a se l\u0103udau. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Nu am absolut nicio dovad\u0103, sau m\u0103car indiciu circumstan\u021bial \u00een sensul \u0103sta \u0219i ceea ce spun nu are titlul de \u201d\u0219tire\u201d, sau informa\u021bie real\u0103, dar fic\u021biunea din capul meu simte un miros de premeditare la schema asta. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u0218i da, vine criza. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Exist\u0103 un motiv foarte solid pentru care dac\u0103 vrei s\u0103 faci plasamente \u00een bonduri sau obliga\u021biuni, o faci \u00een titluri de stat, nu private, unde&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":23526,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[3499],"tags":[5148,5147,5145,5146,5144],"class_list":["post-23524","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-economie","tag-cadere-pe-piata-home-deco","tag-criza-2022-2023","tag-exemplu-de-management-deficitar","tag-vivre-pierderi-pe-bonduri","tag-vivre-suspendare-bonduri"],"views":1085,"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Indicele-bet.png","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p4Eq23-67q","jetpack-related-posts":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/23524","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=23524"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/23524\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":23527,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/23524\/revisions\/23527"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/23526"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=23524"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=23524"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=23524"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}