

{"id":26456,"date":"2023-11-20T14:33:29","date_gmt":"2023-11-20T14:33:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?p=26456"},"modified":"2023-11-20T14:43:14","modified_gmt":"2023-11-20T14:43:14","slug":"cu-israel-nu-merge-ca-cu-tarile-din-vest","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?p=26456","title":{"rendered":"Cu Israel nu merge ca cu \u021b\u0103rile din Vest"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"fb-root\"><\/div>\n\n<p>V\u0103d peste tot proteste  cu jdemii, sute de mii de oameni care se raliaz\u0103 s\u0103 sus\u021bin\u0103 g\u0103zarii \u0219i cu mesaje \u00eempotriva Israelului \u0219i a evreilor \u00een general. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Aici am un bias, c\u0103 \u00eemi place civiliza\u021bia ( cu modera\u021bie, dar totu\u0219i civiliza\u021bie) \u0219i-mi displace debandada \u0219i \u0219obol\u0103neala. Pe care \u00eencerc s\u0103 mi-l reprim, dar e imposibil s\u0103 c\u00e2nt\u0103resc orice situa\u021bii \u0219i circumstan\u021be f\u0103r\u0103 a avea o perspectiv\u0103 \u0219i vreun punct de reper. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u00cencerc s\u0103 \u00eemi impun s\u0103 cred c\u0103 palestinienii din Gaza au \u0219i ei dreptatea lor, c\u0103 sunt oameni simpli care s-au trezit \u00een locul \u0103la viciat \u0219i c\u0103 pe de o parte nu e vina lor pentru ce face Hamas, pe de alta ce se \u00eent\u00e2mpl\u0103 acolo este \u0219i rezultatul faptului c\u0103 au fost efectiv \u00eenchi\u0219i \u00een spatele unui gard, la ini\u021biativa \u0219i cu concursul Israelului \u0219i, indiferent de motive, sau motivele invocate &#8211; c\u0103 dac\u0103 faci nasoale \u00een form\u0103 continuat\u0103, \u0103ia cu pagubele iau m\u0103suri s\u0103 se protejeze, c-o fi bine sau r\u0103u &#8211; faptul c\u0103 stai sub papuc, sau bocanc, at\u00e2ta amar de vreme te \u00eempinge probabil c\u0103tre extremism \u0219i lucruri privite inuman de cei care avem privilegiul s\u0103 tr\u0103im ca oamenii, sau pe aproape , \u0219i creaz\u0103 premizele ca unii care  se ocup\u0103 mai abitir de nenorocirile \u0103stea s\u0103-i abuzeze pe restul care poate ar vrea o via\u021b\u0103 mai comun\u0103, cu infrac\u021bionalitate de duzin\u0103, strict necesarul s\u0103 po\u021bi tr\u0103i acolo, nu atentate teroriste \u0219i crime \u00eempotriva umanit\u0103\u021bii. <br \/><br \/>At\u00e2t Israel c\u00e2t \u0219i PLO , sau statul Palestinian at\u00e2ta c\u00e2t este el recunoscut, sunt p\u0103r\u021bi semnatare ale conven\u021biei de la Geneva. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Care \u00een <a href=\"https:\/\/ihl-databases.icrc.org\/en\/ihl-treaties\/gciv-1949\/article-18\">articolul 18<\/a> zice c\u0103 Spitalele \u0219i unit\u0103\u021bile medicale sunt protejate \u0219i c\u0103  \u00een cazul unui conflict, trebuie s\u0103 li se permit\u0103 s\u0103 ofere asisten\u021b\u0103 \u0219i c\u0103 \u00een nicio circumstan\u021b\u0103* nu trebuie atacate.  Convenabil \u0219i de dorit &#8211; gen \u021bine\u021bi-v\u0103 r\u0103zboiul \u00een alt\u0103 parte. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Stelu\u021ba e de la :<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>States which are Parties to a conflict shall provide all civilian hospitals with certificates showing that they are civilian hospitals and that the buildings which they occupy are not used for any purpose which would deprive these hospitals of protection in accordance with Article&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/ihl-databases.icrc.org\/applic\/ihl\/ihl.nsf\/9AC284404D38ED2BC1256311002AFD89\/4090B0DF66B7DF7FC12563CD0051BB1E\">19<\/a>&nbsp;.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> Traducere pe diagonal\u0103, a la avocatu33:  Statele care particip\u0103 la un conflict trebuie s\u0103 certifice toate spitalele civile ca fiind asta \u0219i c\u0103 cl\u0103dirile pe care le ocup\u0103 NU SUNT FOLOSITE pentru niciun scop care le-ar putea depriva de statutul de protec\u021bie, conf. art 19.   <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u0218i mai zice articolul \u0103sta c\u0103 spitalele ar trebui s\u0103 aib\u0103 embleme care s\u0103 le fac\u0103 u\u0219or identificabile \u0219i s\u0103 fie construite c\u00e2t mai departe de obiective militare, ceea ce \u00een Gaza, trebuie s\u0103 le acord\u0103m aceast\u0103 concesie, este dificil de executat, datorit\u0103 spa\u021biului redus ocupat de aceast\u0103 enclav\u0103. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dar ori\u0219ic\u00e2t , dac\u0103 te ui\u021bi pe hart\u0103,  chiar \u0219i \u00een aglomerarea aia urban\u0103, dac\u0103 \u00ee\u021bi pas\u0103 de soarta oamenilor po\u021bi s\u0103 la\u0219i c\u00e2teva sute de metri m\u0103car, dac\u0103 1 km e prea mult , \u00eentre  spital ,\u0219coal\u0103 \u0219i obiectivele militare, tunele, rampe de lansat burlane  \u0219i ce pula mea mai ai. <br \/><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"660\" height=\"558\" data-attachment-id=\"26457\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?attachment_id=26457#main\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/image-10.png\" data-orig-size=\"660,558\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image-10\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/image-10.png\" src=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/image-10.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-26457\" srcset=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/image-10.png 660w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/image-10-480x406.png 480w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/image-10-200x169.png 200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 660px) 100vw, 660px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Chiar \u0219i<a href=\"https:\/\/ihl-databases.icrc.org\/en\/customary-ihl\/v2\/rule28\"> conven\u021bia de la Haga, mai veche ( 1899 -1907 ) are prevederi cu privire la cum trebuie protejate spitalele \u0219i care-s exigen\u021bele pentru a beneficia de statut<\/a>. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/crucearosie.ro\/assets\/Uploads\/Conventia-de-la-Geneva-IV.pdf\">Articolul 19<\/a> mai zice c\u0103 :<br \/><br \/><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Protec\u0163ia datorat\u0103 <strong>spitalelor civile <\/strong>nu va putea \u00eenceta dec\u00e2t dac\u0103 ele ar fi<br \/>fost folosite pentru comiterea, \u00e2n afara \u00eendatoririlor lor umanitare, de<br \/>acte d\u0103un\u0103toare inamicului. Totu\u015fi, protec\u0163ia nu va \u00eenceta dec\u00e2t dup\u0103 o<br \/>soma\u0163ie care fixeaz\u0103, \u00een toate cazurile oportune, un termen rezonabil,<br \/>soma\u0163ie care ar fi r\u0103mas f\u0103r\u0103 efect.<br \/><strong>Nu va fi considerat un act d\u0103un\u0103tor faptul c\u0103 sunt trata\u0163i \u00een aceste<br \/>spitale militare r\u0103ni\u0163i sau bolnavi sau c\u0103 se g\u0103sesc acolo arme portative<br \/>\u015fi muni\u0163ii luate acestor militari \u015fi care nu au fost v\u0103rsate \u00eenc\u0103<br \/>serviciului competent.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>E important\u0103 partea \u00eengro\u0219at\u0103. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u00cen contextul \u00een care  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=QFmYWkquozk&amp;t=63s\">armata israeilian\u0103 a publicat filme <\/a>\u00een care <strong>a pretins<\/strong>* c\u0103 a g\u0103sit  echipamente militare <strong> ascunse <\/strong> \u00een camerele \u00een care erau scanere cu rezonan\u021b\u0103 magnetic\u0103.  Am v\u0103zut filmele \u0219i am trecut peste, pentru c\u0103 e greu de stabilit dac\u0103 gen\u021bile erau deja acolo, doar din filme \u0219i chiar dac\u0103 erau, e greu de stabilit dac\u0103 nu se calific\u0103 la faptul c\u0103 au fost trata\u021bi militari r\u0103ni\u021bi sau bolnavi \u0219i armele \u0219i muni\u021biile au fost dezechipate de pe militarii respectivi \u0219i n-au avut timp s\u0103 le predea autorit\u0103\u021bilor militare.  Cred c\u0103 dac\u0103 asta era situa\u021bia aveau nevoie de un protocol de depozitare , de declararea lor la \u00eenceputul interven\u021biei armate a inamicului \u0219i de predarea lor transparent\u0103. Asta ar \u00eensemna <strong>bune inten\u021bii \u0219i \u00eencercarea de a evita  sanc\u021biuni \u0219i de riscul de a pierde statutul de institu\u021bie protejat\u0103. <\/strong>  Indiferent de ce se spune \u00een media, exist\u0103 rezonabil posibilitatea asta, ca \u0219i posibilitatea ca IDF s\u0103-ncerce s\u0103 foloseasc\u0103 imaginile lor ca probe. Dac\u0103 \u021bine ap\u0103 sau nu , nu m\u0103 intereseaz\u0103, c\u0103 nu-s judec\u0103tor sau procuror militar, dar \u00een calitate de juriu public a\u0219 zice c\u0103 nu e beyond any reasonable doubt. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u00cens\u0103 se acumuleaz\u0103 o serie de circumstan\u021be care miros r\u0103u de tot a fi exploituri situa\u021bionale folosite de hama\u0219i, cu rea inten\u021bie. \u0218tii genul \u0103la de tertipuri c\u00e2nd ai o lege care-i imperfect\u0103, ca orice lege, \u0219i \u00eencerci s\u0103  te strecori printre linii?  Eh, asta-i o impresie personal\u0103 a mea \u0219i poate fi fals\u0103, mai t\u00e2rziu a\u0219 putea avea o deziluzie.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dar se tot adun\u0103. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>IDF a prezentat mai pe urm\u0103 un tunel  care <strong> pare c\u0103 poate s\u0103 aib\u0103* <\/strong> func\u021biuni militare \u0219i ei zic c\u0103 este <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=iY5vNCklg18\">LA spitalul al-shifa<\/a>.  Au etichetat loca\u021biile frumos \u0219i dup\u0103 cum arat\u0103 , mie mi se pare \u00een afara spitalului, ce-i drept , \u00een vecin\u0103tatea gardului, dar \u00een afar\u0103. <br \/>Apropierea ne poate mirosi tuturor a exploit al conven\u021biei \u0219i matrapazl\u00e2c al Hamas, dar ei pot invoca aglomera\u021bia urban\u0103 &#8211; gen : n-am avut unde, boss, s\u0103 fac tunelul, c\u0103 suntem \u00eenghesui\u021bi aici, de c\u0103tre inamic. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Pot s\u0103 invoce asta . Dac\u0103 o s\u0103 \u021bin\u0103, nu pot \u0219ti sau decide eu. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Israel a mai publicat informa\u021bii c\u0103 a g\u0103sit corpul unei ostatice sub d\u0103r\u00e2maturi <a href=\"https:\/\/edition.cnn.com\/2023\/11\/16\/middleeast\/israeli-hostage-yehudit-waiss-shifa-gaza-intl\/index.html\"><strong>L\u00c2NG\u0102 <\/strong>spitalul cu pricina<\/a>.  Observa\u021bi patternul ?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Mai e. Au pus IDF<a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/nJxejSK03Ik?si=WqN6JkPcu3rG67g9&amp;t=8\"> ceva clip<\/a> care <strong>pare* <\/strong>de pe camerele de supraveghere din spitalul cu pricina \u0219i \u00een care  pe de o parte se vede clar c\u0103 hama\u0219ii intr\u0103 cu ostatici \u021binu\u021bi de <em><a href=\"https:\/\/dexonline.ro\/definitie\/aripa\">harip\u0103<\/a><\/em>, pe care \u00eei \u00eemping \u0219i care nu pare c\u0103 au nevoie de \u00eengirjiri medicale, pe de alt\u0103 parte , \u00een acela\u0219i film  sunt al\u021bi ostatici care au nevoie de \u00eengrijiri, rani\u021bi destul de serios, ceea ce ofer\u0103 o justificare par\u021bial\u0103 pentru ceea ce se \u00eent\u00e2mpl\u0103 acolo. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u0218i cam asta este modelul a tot ceea ce vedem.  Ceea ce se \u00eent\u00e2mpl\u0103 acolo, dac\u0103 ai suficient\u0103 bun\u0103voin\u021b\u0103, se poate \u00eencadra justificabil undeva la marginea conven\u021biei de la Geneva pentru Hamas. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u021a\u0103rilor din vest probabil le-ar fi t\u00e2r\u0219\u0103 s\u0103 se bage \u00een tot c\u0103catul \u0103sta \u0219i ar \u00eencerca o abordare prin proxy , ca s\u0103 nu fie direct \u00eenvinov\u0103\u021bi\u021bi. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ei bine, Israel nu e \u021b\u0103rile din vest. Au l\u0103sat c\u0103catul \u0103sta \u0219i ei destul s\u0103 se \u00eemput\u0103, acum fac pe vidanjorii \u0219i cu riscul de a fi judeca\u021bi \u0219i condamna\u021bi pentru violarea Conven\u021biei de la Geneva se bag\u0103 \u00een c\u0103cat p\u00e2n\u0103 la g\u00e2t \u0219i cotrob\u0103ie prin el.  Israel poate ( cred c\u0103 nu are de ales altceva dec\u00e2t) s\u0103-\u0219i asume consecin\u021bele care vin din ac\u021biunile lor de destructurare a unui sistem care este construit la limita prevederilor tuturor conven\u021biilor \u0219i unde ar putea fi g\u0103si\u021bi vinova\u021bi de fapte oribile. <br \/><br \/>\u0218i nici nu-s Rusia, s\u0103 zic\u0103 <strong>\u201d\u0219tim noi, <\/strong> c\u0103 acolo erau ni\u0219te terori\u0219ti, nu trebuie s\u0103 aducem dovezi\u201d, ci opereaz\u0103 ceva mai transparent. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Tot pot fi acuza\u021bi de neglijen\u021b\u0103 \u0219i violen\u021be la adresa civililor \u0219i a\u0219a mai departe &#8211; e imposibil s\u0103 apuci mizeria asta de  orice cap f\u0103r\u0103 s\u0103 te umpli de c\u0103cat. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u0218i asta este ceea ce vedem. C\u0103cat \u00een ventilator, suporterii palestinienilor din vest se agit\u0103 c\u0103 drepturile omului, iar Israel e cum zice vorba c\u00e2ntecului ( \u0219tiu c\u0103 era proverb, dar las\u0103): <em>\u201d C\u00e2inii latr\u0103, ursu&#8217; trece. De cele mai multe ori\u2026 Dar, c\u00e2teodat\u0103 se opre\u015fte, face o excep\u0163ie, \u0219i le-o d\u0103 \u0219i lor la muie \u201d<\/em> &#8211; ( &#x2122;&#xfe0f; Vlad Irimia ) . <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>E trist, e r\u0103u, dar bine nu are cum s\u0103 fie dec\u00e2t, poate, din \u00eent\u00e2mplare, c\u0103 premizele binelui presupun bunele inten\u021bii, iar astea au fost abandonate demult. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><sub>* Am subliniat unele aspecte care delimiteaz\u0103 aprecierea mea cu privire la validitatea probelor prezentate de Israel \u00een favoarea ac\u021biunilor lor.  Nu \u00eemi pun tichie de staniol, nu sunt conspira\u021bionist, dar nici nu am calitatea de a examina veridicitatea clipurilor prezentate \u0219i mai ales nu am expertiza \u0219i informa\u021biile necesare pentru a putea aprecia dac\u0103 buc\u0103\u021bile care ni se prezint\u0103 reprezint\u0103 fidel forma \u00eentregii poze sau sunt atent t\u0103iate pentru a reprezenta o perspectiv\u0103 p\u0103rtinitoare \u0219i nu le pot privi dec\u00e2t a\u0219a cum sunt &#8211; ni\u0219te ferestre \u00eenguste prin care ni se prezint\u0103 buc\u0103\u021bi din faptele de acolo, f\u0103c\u00e2nd presupunerea , dar nu av\u00e2nd garan\u021bia c\u0103 nu-s falsuri bine executate. <\/sub><br \/><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>V\u0103d peste tot proteste cu jdemii, sute de mii de oameni care se raliaz\u0103 s\u0103 sus\u021bin\u0103 g\u0103zarii \u0219i cu mesaje \u00eempotriva Israelului \u0219i a evreilor&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":26458,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[170,4766],"tags":[5690,5691],"class_list":["post-26456","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-politice","category-razboi","tag-israel-in-gaza","tag-spitalul-al-shifa"],"views":805,"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/war-and-destructions.png","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p4Eq23-6SI","jetpack-related-posts":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/26456","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=26456"}],"version-history":[{"count":12,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/26456\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":26473,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/26456\/revisions\/26473"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/26458"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=26456"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=26456"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=26456"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}