{"id":34391,"date":"2025-11-24T12:01:00","date_gmt":"2025-11-24T12:01:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?p=34391"},"modified":"2025-11-24T13:38:37","modified_gmt":"2025-11-24T13:38:37","slug":"cotrapropunerea-europenilor-la-planul-american-pentru-ucraina-n-o-sa-fie-acceptata-nici-macar-de-americani","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?p=34391","title":{"rendered":"\u201dCotrapropunerea\u201d europenilor la planul american pentru Ucraina… n-o s\u0103 fie acceptat\u0103 nici m\u0103car de americani"},"content":{"rendered":"
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Agramatismul nu-mi apar\u021bine, e citat 1:1 din ho\u021bnews, salut Viorela Marin – felicit\u0103ri pentru traducerea \u0219i a\u0219ezarea \u00een pagin\u0103 ordonat\u0103 a articolului de pe SkyNews <\/a>( cred). ChatGPT – Gemini? Am \u00eencercat s\u0103-l citesc de la britanici, dar a trebuit s\u0103-i dau paste \u00een Notepad, c\u0103 \u0103ia scriu pentru handicapa\u021bi probabil, folosesc un font mai ur\u00e2t dec\u00e2t al meu de pe blogul \u0103sta – pe hotnews e frumos, civilizat. At\u00e2ta c\u0103, a\u0219a cum am zis, era bun \u0219i titlul.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Anywhore, de ce nu?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Au \u0219ters cu guma punctul 3.
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\u0102sta e cel mai u\u0219or de trecut peste, de c\u0103tre US cel pu\u021bin, mi-e greu s\u0103 cred c\u0103 Rusia, \u00een momentul de fa\u021b\u0103, c\u00e2nd au ascendent pozitiv ( intr\u0103 ca scorpionul \u00een fecioar\u0103 sau ceva) pe front vor s\u0103 discute orice pace cu Ucraina \u00een NATO. \u0218i au b\u0103gat gluma asta de punct 7. B\u0103i nene, nu \u00eemi \u00eenchipui cine a putut veni cu asta, dar recomand filmul Rumour<\/a>, zici c\u0103 e documentar. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

7. Ukraine joining NATO depends on consensus of NATO members, which does not exist.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

8 este \u0219i mai amuzant.
Propunerea american\u0103 vs. ce-au schimbat. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Adic\u0103 pe timp de pace pot sta\u021biona trupe dar nu permanent, le mai rotesc, ca la Kog\u0103lniceanu, de exemplu, sau dac\u0103 sta\u021bioneaz\u0103 permanent, sunt trupe NATO dar nu sub comanda NATO, invent\u0103m ceva ONU, Coalition of the Willing, Brotherhood of the Ring, ceva cu nume mi\u0219to. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Americanii au transmis clar c\u0103 pe ei \u00eei doare \u00een pul\u0103, sau poate vor chiar s\u0103 poarte m\u0103nu\u0219i \u00een rela\u021bia cu Rusia \u0219i c\u0103 dac\u0103 vor s\u0103 ofere protec\u021bie Ucrainei, europenii ar fi bine s-o fac\u0103 \u0219i s\u0103-\u0219i pun\u0103 avioanele \u00een Polonia. Lucru pe undeva corect, de altfel.
Iar europenii zic c\u0103 nu, c\u0103 for\u021bele NATO, probabil se g\u00e2ndesc la Canada, sau ceva.
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La punctul 10 europenii fac un exerci\u021biu de pedanterie p\u0103 linie de legisla\u021bie, ca s\u0103 dovedeasc\u0103 c\u0103 au fost la seminariile de comunere \u0219i comunicare legislativ\u0103.
Pe undeva au dreptate. Americanii au b\u0103gat acolo \u201dthat mirrors Article 5\u201d , pentru c\u0103 Article 5 e un text care las\u0103 loc larg de interpretare \u0219i mai mult un m\u0103r al discordiei, anume expresia \u00eengro\u0219at\u0103 se pi\u0219\u0103 pe orice obliga\u021bii, sau se bazeaz\u0103 pe inten\u021bia \u0219i caracterul onorabil al membrilor ( Salut, Trump!) \u201din exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary<\/strong>, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.<\/em>\u201d
De aici \u00eencepe compunerea \u0219i m\u0103iestria literar\u0103.
La punctul b) \u00eenlocuiesc forfeits <\/strong>cu lose<\/strong>. Are sens. \u201dForfeits\u201d \u00eenseamn\u0103 c\u0103 Rusia cedeaz\u0103 garan\u021biile colaterale – a ceda presupune inten\u021bie \u0219i validarea inten\u021biei, \u201dlose\u201d \u00eenseamn\u0103 c\u0103 inten\u021bia Rusiei nu e impotant\u0103 , se consider\u0103 pierdute de drept, \u201dai dat – \u0219i-am luat!\u201d. Agresiune maxim\u0103 la europeni. \u00cen cuvinte. La robust vs. decisive e fix flexare european\u0103, cuvinte mari \u0219i f\u0103r\u0103 sens exact, \u00eenlocuinte cu cuvinte \u0219i mai mari, dar tot f\u0103r\u0103 sens exact.
La fel \u0219i \u00eenlocuirea liniu\u021belor cu litere. De regul\u0103 nota\u021bia alfabetic\u0103, sau numeral\u0103 sugereaz\u0103 o ordine \u0219i prioritate, la liniu\u021be ordinea nu e musai important\u0103, sau autorul n-a fost ordonat \u00een g\u00e2ndire s\u0103 fac\u0103 prioritizarea, dar europenii nu-s a\u0219a, noo, ei aloc\u0103 tot timpul \u0219i sunt o ma\u0219in\u0103rie birocratic\u0103 foarte structurat\u0103.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Cam la fel \u0219i \u00eenlocuirea cuv\u00e2ntului \u201dwithdrawn\u201d cu \u201drevoked\u201d. Nu ofer\u0103 mare valoare sau angajament, dar \u00een pedanteria contractual\u0103 a revoca e ac\u021biunea corect\u0103, \u00eentruc\u00e2t retragerea are sens juridic doar c\u00e2t\u0103 vreme contractul este o ofert\u0103 , nu contract cu valoare de lege. Nu mai po\u021bi retrage ceva ce a fost semnat, po\u021bi proviziona rezilierea, sau revocarea. Chapeau!
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Dezm\u0103\u021bul continu\u0103 \u0219i la punctul 11. Recunosc patternul c\u0103 mai fac \u0219i eu a\u0219a c\u00e2nd discut de contracte, c\u00e2nd vreau s\u0103 epatez \u0219i s\u0103 enervez.
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Bataille de jeu! Dar nu la fel de mare ca la punctul 12. Aici au rescris efectiv textul doar din \u0219i pentru formalisme. Le-au \u0219ters americanilor virgulele – gen \u201doxford comma\u201d care nu se folosesc \u00een Europa – mi-l \u0219i imaginez pe Starmer cum t\u0103ia cu pixul engleza yankeilor. Nici nu \u0219tiu ce pula mea vor s\u0103 spun\u0103 cu AI efforts, dar nu po\u021bi spune simplu buzzwords gen artificial intelligence – noo, mai pui ceva deasupra.
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La fel \u0219i la punctul 13 – s\u0103 mai punem noi un \u201dprogresiv\u201d \u00een descriere, c\u0103 suntem progresi\u0219ti, ca \u0219i cum nu se \u00een\u021belege din detaliile ulterioare c\u0103 e vorba de pa\u0219i.
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La punctul 14 e fix pe dos. Unde America devine specific\u0103 la liniu\u021b\u0103, c\u00e2nd e vorba de bani \u0219i business, Europa zice c\u0103 nu, c\u0103 las\u0103 c\u0103 vedem noi mai \u00eencolo.
\u0218i la asta SUA o s\u0103 vrea s\u0103 ne dea mui\u021b\u0103, normal. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Trump a zis simplu: \u201dLom noi o sut\u0103 de meleoane din asseturile ruse\u0219ti \u00eenghe\u021bate\u201d <\/em>( e vorba de miliarde, dar sun\u0103 mai s\u0103ms\u0103re\u0219te a\u0219a) . \u201dProfitul din schema asta, jum\u0103tate merge la noi.\u201d<\/em>. Normal, ce parteneriat multipartit e \u0103la \u00een care nu ia SUA jum\u0103tate. \u201dEuropa mai pune de la ei \u00eenc\u0103<\/strong> o sut\u0103\u201d<\/em>. S\u0103 mai d\u0103m, c\u0103 avem de unde \u0219i c\u0103 e interesul nostru, c\u0103 nu vem vecini cu casele d\u0103r\u00e2mate. \u201dEuropa o s\u0103 dezghe\u021be \u0219i ei asseturole ruse\u0219ti, dar nu le iau ei, mai facem noi un vehicul ruso-american pentru schema asta \u0219i le \u00eemp\u0103r\u021bim fr\u0103\u021be\u0219te, ca s\u0103 str\u00e2ngem prietenia bine de tot. \u201d<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Normal c\u0103 Vance \u0219i Rubio o s\u0103 vin\u0103 \u0219i-o s\u0103 le zic\u0103 Europenilor : b\u0103i, e bine c\u0103 v\u0103 pricepe\u021bi la virgule, cuvinte \u0219mechere, bravo , acolo l\u0103s\u0103m ca voi, bine c\u0103 merge\u021bi voi la grammar schools, dar n-a\u021bi \u00een\u021beles nimic. Business-ul se face p\u0103 cowboy style a\u0219ea, c\u0103 noi l-am combinat pe Putin s\u0103 punem de-o pace. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Americanii au pus-o pe mas\u0103 lung\u0103 \u0219i tare: Lupii or s\u0103 decid\u0103 \u00eentre ei dac\u0103 respect\u0103 regulile de protec\u021bie a Scufi\u021bei Ro\u0219ii, iar dac\u0103 nu-i convine \u00eei bag\u0103 ciuperci \u00een cur. Atomice. Europenii viseaz\u0103 c\u0103 iar fac ei o hor\u0103 de-ale noastre, ca la Acordurile Minsk 1, 2, c\u00e2nd a fost Ucraina, Rusia \u0219i Fr\u0103\u021bia Inelelor ( adic\u0103 OSCE) – o chetie din aia de unii zic h\u0103is, al\u021bii cea, nu se respect\u0103 nimic \u0219i vor continua s\u0103 latre unii la al\u021bii pe mai multe voci, tr\u0103g\u00e2nd de timp. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Articolul 20 e cum ar zice britanicii cam cheeky a\u0219a.
La prima vedere europenii las\u0103 de la ei, pentru c\u0103 ideologia nazist\u0103 oricum nu e permis\u0103 \u00een UE, iar a doua liniu\u021b\u0103 din propunerea american\u0103 vorbea de m\u0103suri echidistante promovate de ambele \u021b\u0103ri \u0219i pare c\u0103 UE le las\u0103 loc ru\u0219ilor s\u0103 o joace pe alor cu propaganda musc\u0103leasc\u0103. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Doar c\u0103 nu, \u0219i probabil c\u0103 Rusia va obiecta la asta, pro\u0219ti ar fi s\u0103 n-o fac\u0103.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Puncul doi cerea ca Ukraina s\u0103 garanteze \u0219i drepturile presei ruse\u0219ti \u00een Ucraina, \u0219i educa\u021bia \u00een limba rus\u0103 – adic\u0103 propaganda ruseasc\u0103 \u0219i rusificarea prin infuzie de fonduri \u0219i cereri de drepturi de studii \u00een ruse\u0219te, etc, schemele ruse\u0219ti. \u0218i e limpede de ce UE nu vrea din astea, c\u0103 mai cenzureaz\u0103 \u0219i europenii massmedia ruseasc\u0103, adic\u0103 na, libertate de exprimare, dar s\u0103 nu ne t\u0103iem \u00een col\u021buri.
Iar punctul 3 e ceva ce Putin tot tr\u00e2mbi\u021beaz\u0103 prin Rusia, c\u0103 el e \u00een Ucraina la denazificare \u0219i cum s\u0103 spui c\u0103 tocmai aia nu o s\u0103 se \u00eent\u00e2mple?
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Punctul 21 e cel mai pu\u021bin important ca modificare propus\u0103 de Europeni. E un formalism legal acolo.
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N-au zis nimic foarte diferit de americani, americanii doar au luat-o pe scurt\u0103tur\u0103. Formalismul european zice c\u0103 nu e musai ca ucrainenii s\u0103 recunoasc\u0103 zonele \u0103lea ca ruse\u0219ti – constitu\u021bia lor, ca a oric\u0103rei \u021b\u0103ri nu permite diviziunea \u0219i ar trebui s\u0103 \u00eentrebe cet\u0103\u021benii, presupun prin referendum gen \u201dvre\u021bi, b\u0103, s\u0103 recunoa\u0219tem c\u0103 am cedat teritoriile \u0103lea pe care oricum nu le putem st\u0103p\u00e2nii c\u0103 e armata rus\u0103 pe ele?\u201d .\u0218i nu \u0219tii cum iese asta \u0219i mai mor 1 milion de oameni. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Dar pun problema la modul c\u0103 \u00eencep ei s\u0103 negocieze de la linia de contact \u0219i Ucraina se angajeaz\u0103 s\u0103 nu \u00eencerce s\u0103 recupereze teritoriile ocupate de ru\u0219i prin mijloace militare. Adic\u0103 ce-au avut \u0219i ce-au pierdut, r\u0103m\u00e2ne cam ca acuma, great victory!
Propunerea american\u0103 e mai concret\u0103 \u0219i are mai mult sens, pentru un acord de pace, chiar dac\u0103 nu are deloc sens pentru ucraineni, dar na, a\u0219a e c\u00e2nd nu neap\u0103rat c\u0103 pierzi , dar nu c\u00e2\u0219tigi. Nu e vina lor, dar na, nu prea conteaz\u0103. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

25 e tipic european , dar au dreptate. Trump avea schem\u0103 aici. Dac\u0103 Zele semna pe 100 de zile – anume de c\u00e2nd? De la semn\u0103tur\u0103? Foarte posibil ar fi urmat s\u0103 zboare \u00eenainte s\u0103 se \u00eencheie negocierile \u0219i pacea complet. As soon as possible dup\u0103 semnarea acordului de pace \u00eenseamn\u0103 la pulivar\u0103 c\u00e2nd s-o putea, mere\u021bi lini\u0219ti\u021bi acas\u0103, c\u0103 facem noi, nu mai pierde\u021bi timpul p-aici. Probabil Putin o s\u0103 fac\u0103 mare gargar\u0103 pe asta, c\u0103 uite, el a putut avea alegeri democratice \u00een timpul r\u0103zboiului. \u0218i-a omor\u00e2t din contracandida\u021bi, a pus el unii pe spr\u00e2ncean\u0103, dar a\u0219a e \u00een democra\u021bia ruseasc\u0103. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

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26 e cel mai tare \u0219i e modul european de a transmite muie. \u00cen varianta promovat\u0103 de Trump e cu hai pa-pa-pa-pace, s\u0103n\u0103tate la toat\u0103 lumea, ne pup\u0103m \u0219i uit\u0103m, nu b\u0103g\u0103m pe nimeni la pu\u0219c\u0103rie, aici doar arunc\u0103m de la fereastr\u0103 c\u00e2nd e cazul, europenii zic fix \u201dNay<\/strong>\u201d – c\u0103 \u201daddress the suffering of victims\u201d \u00eenseamn\u0103 cu desemnearea de criminali de r\u0103zboi, pedepsirea lor \u0219i stabilirea de desp\u0103gubiri – salut Nurnberg. Adic\u0103 Putin r\u0103m\u00e2ne tot pe sanc\u021biuni, tot cu statut de paria \u00een Europa, cel pu\u021bin. Dar nu numai el.
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De unde eu cred c\u0103 \u0219i iarna asta ne uit\u0103m tot la serialul \u201dru\u0219ii sunt epuiza\u021bi, nu mai pot \u00eenainta mult c\u0103 se pr\u0103bu\u0219esc economic \u0219i mai au doar 3 rachete\u201d.\u00cen timp ce ru\u0219ii avanseaz\u0103 \u00eencet, desigur. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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