

{"id":3607,"date":"2015-11-24T19:18:05","date_gmt":"2015-11-24T17:18:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?p=3607"},"modified":"2015-11-25T07:17:16","modified_gmt":"2015-11-25T05:17:16","slug":"ma-intreba-cineva-de-rusi-si-turci","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?p=3607","title":{"rendered":"Ma intreba cineva de rusi si turci"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"fb-root\"><\/div>\n<p>&#8230; Si ma intreba degeaba , ca e un joc care nu depinde nici de mine nici de rusi si nici de turci. Pare mai mult ca un test de pozitie.<\/p>\n<p>Am urmarit stirea doar de <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bbc.com\/news\/live\/world-middle-east-34908469\" target=\"_blank\">aici<\/a>. Fan BBC, deh , da&#8217; cre&#8217; ca e mai bun ca A3, sau RTV, sau hotznews.<\/p>\n<p>Ce se pune in ochii privitorilor este disputa daca , vez&#8217; doamne , avionul era sau nu la turci in curte. De parca conteaza.<\/p>\n<p>Si imi atrag atentia urmatoarele update-uri:<\/p>\n<header class=\"lx-stream-post__header gs-o-media\" data-reactid=\".0.1.0.0.$k565483e73a0000663f380a9c.0\">\n<div class=\"gs-o-media__body\" data-reactid=\".0.1.0.0.$k565483e73a0000663f380a9c.0.1\"><\/div>\n<\/header>\n<blockquote>\n<div class=\"lx-stream-post__meta\" data-reactid=\".0.1.0.0.$k565483e73a0000663f380a9c.2\"><em><strong>US confirms<\/strong> Turks warned Russia before shooting down jet<\/em><\/div>\n<div class=\"lx-stream-post__meta\" data-reactid=\".0.1.0.0.$k565483e73a0000663f380a9c.2\"><em><time class=\"lx-stream-post__meta-time gel-pica\" data-reactid=\".0.1.0.0.$k565483e73a0000663f380a9c.2.0\"><span class=\"gs-u-vh\" data-reactid=\".0.1.0.0.$k565483e73a0000663f380a9c.2.0.0\"><span data-reactid=\".0.1.0.0.$k565483e73a0000663f380a9c.2.0.0.0\">Posted at\u00a0<\/span><\/span><span data-reactid=\".0.1.0.0.$k565483e73a0000663f380a9c.2.0.1\">15:39<\/span><\/time><\/em><\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div class=\"lx-stream-post__body gel-pica\" data-reactid=\".0.1.0.0.$k565483e73a0000663f380a9c.3\">\n<div class=\"lx-rta lx-stream-post-body\" data-reactid=\".0.1.0.0.$k565483e73a0000663f380a9c.3.0\">\n<div class=\"lx-stream-post-body\">\n<blockquote><p><em><strong>A spokesman for the US-led coalition<\/strong> against Islamic State,\u00a0Col Steve Warren\u00a0says it can confirm that the Turks warned the Russian plane 10\u00a0times before shooting down the jet.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>He said they were working to establish exactly where\u00a0the plane was when it was shot down<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>E clar, da? Deci US , nu ceva secretar NATO, al carei aliante este Turcia stat membru .<\/p>\n<p>Ceva mai devreme primul ministrul turc se justifica cum ca :<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>\u00a0&#8220;national duty to take any measure against whoever violates our air or land borders&#8221;.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Interesul national , da. Si NATO , care\u00a0<em>cica\u00a0<\/em> sustine Turcia \u00a0in a-si apara granitele \u00a0ce face?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>11:57 : \u00a0At the request of Turkey, the North Atlantic Council will hold an extraordinary meeting at 16:00 GMT. The aim of this extraordinary NAC is for Turkey to inform Allies about the downing of a Russian airplane,&#8221; an alliance\u00a0official told AFP\u00a0<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Exact , hai sa facem o intalnire sa vedem ce si cum.<\/p>\n<p>Treaba e asa:<\/p>\n<p>1. US \u00a0vor sa lupte anti statul islamic , da numa&#8217; cu conditiile lor. Adica le arde mai tare sa il dea jos pe \u00a0al Assad ( care se intampla sa fie <em>pretinu&#8217;<\/em> rusilor ) \u00a0decat de statul islamic, pentru ca <a href=\"http:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/news\/world\/europe\/france-launches-war-crimes-and-crimes-against-humanity-investigation-into-bashar-al-assads-regime-a6673151.html\" target=\"_blank\">crime impotriva umanitatii si alte mizerii.<\/a>\u00a0Daca nu am stii cine-s americanii si <a href=\"http:\/\/www.deathandtaxesmag.com\/205411\/10-vicious-dictators-supported-by-the-u-s-government\/\" target=\"_blank\">cat \u00a0de mult le pasa lor de umanitate<\/a>, as crede-o pe jumatate. \u00a0Deci sictir \u00a0temei cu crimele din cazul \u00a0opozitiei fata de regimul astuia.<\/p>\n<p>2. Turcii, ( ca si romanii de altfel si in alte cazuri &#8211; nu va umflati in pene) nu \u00a0vocalizeaza neaparat pozitia lor in conflict desi sunt direct interesati , ca aia sunt vecinii lor , ci li se vede de la kilometri distanta manusa americana infipta in cur care le \u00a0controleaza \u00a0mutarile si vocea care vorbeste in locul lor , in timp ce prim ministrul vietii macane politica externa.<\/p>\n<p>3. Europenii. \u00a0<strong>Cu curu&#8217; in doua luntre ca intotdeauna.<\/strong>\u00a0 Si de asta \u00a0asta e un test de pozitie al Europei.<\/p>\n<p>Pe de o parte , majoritatea statelor UE , \u00a0fiind membre NATO , ar cam \u00a0sustine pozitia americanilor , care e stat aliat \u00a0si care mai are manusi prin curul multor state europene si poate o fi si romantismul european si visul de \u00a0drept aparator al sarmanilor asupriti de regimurile politice dictatoriale &#8211; din gura , fireste.<\/p>\n<p>Pe de alta parte , bombele \u00a0bubuie pana una alta aci , nu in US , \u00a0demascandu-se in recolta \u00a0unei culturi prost semanate in trecut, afaceri nerezolvate , lucruri lasate pe maine , etc. Iar US , membru NATO, nu prea s-a grabit sa reprezinte interesele aliatiol, ci pe alea proprii, normal de altfel. \u00a0Poate aici se explica si de ce Franta nu a activat celebrul articol 5, ci a zis , &#8221; ba, hai sa ne organizam noi ai nostri aci ( UE) , ca uite ne-ajuta si \u00a0mama Rusia .<\/p>\n<p>Rusia care e deranjata de Isis, dar nu de Assad, care are insa nevoie de sprijin si \u00a0nu cerd ca ar intentiona un conflict tripartit in Siria ( sustinatorii lu&#8217; Assad, rebelii si sustinatorii lor , ISIS ) ca la combinatii d-astea probabil ca ISIS sunt cei mai castigati.<\/p>\n<p>De aici testul de pozitie . \u00a0Daca UE , face un pas in spate si manusile americane vor controla la colon factorii de decizie europeni intru a \u00a0vira catre &#8220;anti Assad&#8221; si muie Rusia , rusii pot face un pas in spate, desi nu e sigur ca au tupeu. Mai degraba e un pericol sa zica \u00a0&#8220;bine ,maaaa&#8221; &#8211; sa se faca ca ajuta coalitia anti Isis si sa isi vada de ale lor prin Crimeea si pe unde mai au de dezmembrat Ucraina.<\/p>\n<p>Daca UE ii bate la cur pe turci , sau incearca sa le puna scoci la gura si sa ii smulga din manusa americana&#8230; nu cred ca chestia asta merge \u00a0si mai cred si ca \u00a0NATO se duce pe pula si \u00a0cu siguranta ar insemna o scindare a pozitiei in cadrul Europei. Tari ca Romania , Polonia , Bulgaria , care sunt vai pula lor pe plan militar si care au si incredere \u00a0mai mare in americani si control American probabil \u00a0ca se vor segrega de restul europei, ca pozitie in cadrul NATO. In cazul asta Rusia isi va rade in barba si le va spune , &#8220;brava , bah , prostilor!&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>La 1:29 Donald Tusk spunea:\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/eucopresident\/status\/669145881493569536\" target=\"_blank\">In this dangerous moment after downing of Russian jet, all should remain cool headed and calm<\/a>\u00a0. In timp ce prostii pot evalua ca asta e un mare om , mare caracter si ca ce le spune el la toti sa nu se precipite , e vorba de fapt de : &#8220;Bah , si acu ce pula mea facem? \u00a0Hai sa decidem toti , impreuna in care barca ne suim , ca daca ne suim in barci diferite , am belit pula. &#8221;<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>Ministerul de extrerne german si David Cameron ( primu&#8217; \u00a0englejilor , hai ca stiti , plm) \u00a0zic unu la 16:11 si alalaltu&#8217; inainte de ceaiul de la ora 5 ( 16:45) ca &#8221; <em>ba turcilor si rusilor, nu vreti voi sa discutati si sa va impacati, pula mea, si sa nu ne bagati pe noi la belea ?<\/em>&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>DE<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>16:11<\/em><br \/>\n<em>Germany&#8217;s Foreign Minister, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, says he hopes the incident will not hamper fresh talks over the Syria crisis.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>&#8220;I hope first that both capitals start talks with each other and that second, both Ankara and Moscow are aware of the responsibility when it comes to reactions and couter-reactions,&#8221; he says.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div class=\"lx-stream-post-body\">\n<p><strong>\u00a0si UK<\/strong><\/p>\n<header class=\"lx-stream-post__header gs-o-media\" data-reactid=\".0.1.0.0.$k56549027380000dd2732a594.0\">\n<div class=\"gs-o-media__body\" data-reactid=\".0.1.0.0.$k56549027380000dd2732a594.0.1\">\n<blockquote>\n<h3 class=\"lx-stream-post__header-title gel-great-primer-bold\" data-reactid=\".0.1.0.0.$k56549027380000dd2732a594.0.1.0\"><em><span class=\"lx-stream-post__header-text\" data-reactid=\".0.1.0.0.$k56549027380000dd2732a594.0.1.0.1\">Britain urges Russia and Turkey to have &#8216;direct&#8217; conversation<\/span><\/em><\/h3>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<\/header>\n<blockquote>\n<div class=\"lx-stream-post__meta\" data-reactid=\".0.1.0.0.$k56549027380000dd2732a594.2\"><em><time class=\"lx-stream-post__meta-time gel-pica\" data-reactid=\".0.1.0.0.$k56549027380000dd2732a594.2.0\"><span class=\"gs-u-vh\" data-reactid=\".0.1.0.0.$k56549027380000dd2732a594.2.0.0\"><span data-reactid=\".0.1.0.0.$k56549027380000dd2732a594.2.0.0.0\">Posted at<\/span><\/span><span data-reactid=\".0.1.0.0.$k56549027380000dd2732a594.2.0.1\">16:45<\/span><\/time><\/em><\/div>\n<div class=\"lx-stream-post__body gel-pica\" data-reactid=\".0.1.0.0.$k56549027380000dd2732a594.3\">\n<div class=\"lx-rta lx-stream-post-body\" data-reactid=\".0.1.0.0.$k56549027380000dd2732a594.3.0\">\n<div class=\"lx-stream-post-body\">\n<p><em>British Prime Minister David Cameron has discussed the incident with his Turkish counterpart, Downing Street says.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>In it he encouraged the Turks and the Russians to have a &#8220;direct conversation&#8221; over the matter. Mr Cameron is due to make the case for British jets to carry out strikes in Syria\u00a0on Thursday.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<blockquote><p><em>\u00a0<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div class=\"lx-rta lx-stream-post-body\" data-reactid=\".0.1.0.0.$k565483e73a0000663f380a9c.3.0\">\n<div class=\"lx-stream-post-body\">\n<p>Deci , pula mea , nu rusii si turcii sunt problema , ca rusii nu mor ei de un avion, iar turcii, ma rog , astia s-ar putea sa sufere putin de lipsa de turism rusesc, asta in conditiile in care turismul turcesc nu va fi futut oricum de atentate \u00a0in viitorul apropiat ,ca deja reluctanta se extinde proportional cu influenta jihadistilor alora. \u00a0Si nu , Romania nu ajuta aici , ca in pofida a ceea ce credeti , nu suntem in top zece natii care merg la turci. Poate la \u00a0bulgari, ca nu suntem asa bogati. \u00a0Si da , dupa cum va imaginati , parerea Romaniei nu conteaza catusi de putin in chestia asta , gen , in caz ca auziti ca vine cineva cu o pozitie oficiala la TV.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"3608\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?attachment_id=3608#main\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/turkeyturists.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"471,592\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"turkeyturists\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/turkeyturists.jpg\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-3608\" src=\"http:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/turkeyturists-239x300.jpg\" alt=\"turkeyturists\" width=\"239\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/turkeyturists-239x300.jpg 239w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/turkeyturists.jpg 471w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 239px) 100vw, 239px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&#8230; Si ma intreba degeaba , ca e un joc care nu depinde nici de mine nici de rusi si nici de turci. 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