

{"id":9804,"date":"2017-11-09T17:56:59","date_gmt":"2017-11-09T15:56:59","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?p=9804"},"modified":"2017-11-09T17:56:59","modified_gmt":"2017-11-09T15:56:59","slug":"masini-sh-perspectiva-2017-2018","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?p=9804","title":{"rendered":"Ma\u0219ini SH: Perspectiva 2017-2018"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"fb-root\"><\/div>\n<p>Toat\u0103 lumea pe care-o cunosc se uit\u0103 s\u0103 cumpere acum ma\u0219ini aduse din Str\u0103inezia, de frica c\u0103 vor pune\u00a0<em>\u0103\u0219tia\u00a0<\/em> din nou timbru de mediu sub o forma sau alta.<\/p>\n<p>Eu cred ca ma\u0219inile SH se vor ieftini \u00een urm\u0103torul an \u0219i poate \u00een urm\u0103torii 3-4, chiar mai mult dec\u00e2t acum. \u00centr-un fel. Adic\u0103, ai s\u0103 cumperi rabla mai ieftin, dar te va costa serios mai mult s-o ai.<\/p>\n<p>Sunt 2 factori care au scumpit\/scumpesc masinile SH \u00een Rom\u00e2nia \u0219i unul care le poate ieftini. Unul din \u0103ia doi, aplicat altfel.<\/p>\n<p>Primul factor de scumpire a fost<strong> taxa de\u00a0 \u00eenmatriculare\/ timbrul de mediu<\/strong>. \u0218i care \u00een viitor probabil c\u0103 va sc\u0103dea valoarea rablelor. A\u0219a cum \u0219i trebuia s\u0103 se \u00eent\u00e2mple de la bun \u00eenceput, dac\u0103 \u00een locul lui T\u0103riceanu ar fi fost atunci un nene care nu avea reprezentan\u021b\u0103 auto.<\/p>\n<p>Nu cred c\u0103 mai e loc de timbre de mediu pe ma\u0219ini de import, nu puse ca tax\u0103 unic\u0103 de \u00eenmatriculare prohibititv\u0103. Nu c\u00e2t timp suntem \u00een UE. C\u0103 nu le mai \u00eenmatriculeaz\u0103 nici dracu aici, l\u0103s\u00e2nd infringement and shit la o parte . Asta e clar, deja.\u00a0 La ce dracu sa pui taxe pe care nu le platesc decat fraierii. In prima secunda in care trebuie sa pl\u0103tesc taxa de \u00eenmatriculare sau ceva, cu caracter prohibitiv, relativ la pia\u021ba de unde cump\u0103r ma\u0219ina, mi-o \u00eenscriu direct \u00een Vanuatu, sau alt stat european \u0219i s-o sug\u0103 \u00een cur cu taxele lor.<\/p>\n<p>C\u0103 vor pune o tax\u0103 de mediu asemenea impozitului, c-o vor introduce \u00een combustibil &#8211; cred c\u0103 nu, pentru c\u0103 deja au introdus alte accize acolo \u0219i e o oarecare presiune de imagine pe cre\u0219terea pre\u021bului combustibilului \u0219i mai mult dec\u00e2t costa acum, c-o vor pune ca tax\u0103 de drum,\u00a0 r\u0103m\u00e2ne de v\u0103zut- dar estimez c\u0103 una din \u0103stea.\u00a0 Niciuna din astea nu va creste pretul masinilor SH. Toate le vor ieftini.\u00a0 Pe toate care nu-s hibride sau electrice. La gramada.<\/p>\n<p>Mai ales dac\u0103 se insist\u0103 pe scoaterea dieselurilor de pe \u0219osele.<\/p>\n<p>Exemplu ( c\u0103 vorbeam cu cineva pe tema asta): Am o rabla cu motor de 3.0 litri pe motorina. Euro 4.\u00a0 Platesc deja undeva la 500 de EUR impozit. Am auzit vorbe c\u0103 ar putea ajunge taxele astea cu tot cu penalizarea de poluare p\u00e2n\u0103 pe la 1500 de EUR. Poate \u0219i mai mult. P\u0103i ce s\u0103 spun. Chestia asta, \u00een particular pe mine, m\u0103 condamn\u0103 s\u0103 nu mai v\u00e2nd rabla \u0219i s\u0103 pl\u0103tesc impozit c\u00e2t vor ei, daca nu pun sume astronomice.\u00a0 Dac\u0103 a\u0219 vinde-o azi, dar nu inten\u021bionez, poate-poate a\u0219 mai lua<a href=\"https:\/\/www.olx.ro\/auto-masini-moto-ambarcatiuni\/autoturisme\/hyundai\/ix55\/\"> spre 10k EUR<\/a> pe ea, dupa ni\u0219te retu\u0219uri obligatorii. Iar ca sa-mi iau alt SUV pe benzina tre&#8217; sa mai pun de la \u00eenc\u0103 15 000 \u00een sus, a\u0219a, banul jos, to\u021bi odat\u0103.\u00a0 Prefer s\u0103 le dau 1500-2000 pe an, o vreme, dac\u0103 se ajunge la asta. 4-5 ani.\u00a0 Altfel trebuie s\u0103 fac downshift la vreo chichinea\u021b\u0103 de ma\u0219in\u0103, sau \u00een orice caz ceva sedan\/break cu motor mic. Nu inten\u021bionez.<\/p>\n<p>Legat de care, dac\u0103 \u00ee\u021bi cumperi acum ma\u0219in\u0103 \u0219i dac-o vrei nou\u0103, sau aproape nou\u0103, nu-\u021bi recomand s-o iei diesel, mai ales, dac\u0103 te ui\u021bi la motoare peste 2 litri.\u00a0 N-ai de ce. \u0218tiu benzina e scump\u0103 \u0219i se consum\u0103 mult\u0103, \u0219tiu ma\u0219inile diesel sunt mai longevive, sunt de acord cu toate astea. Dar dac\u0103 pl\u0103te\u0219ti 500-1000 EUR\u00a0 \u00een plus pe an la impozit ( asta \u00een Rom\u00e2nia , c\u0103 \u00een \u021b\u0103ri mai sp\u0103late e posibil s\u0103 coste mai mult) nu prea mai conteaz\u0103 nimic din avantajele astea. Dac\u0103-\u021bi pas\u0103 de consum ( \u0219i e \u0219i mai eco) pui frumos GPL. Da, \u0219i pe BMW-ul t\u0103u\u00a0 de 2 litri benzin\u0103.<\/p>\n<p>P\u0103rerea mea, dac\u0103 te ui\u021bi la motoare peste 2 -2.5 litri e s\u0103 alegi ceva hibrid. Da, hibride d-\u0103lea la mi\u0219to, care nu neap\u0103rat se bag\u0103 \u00een priz\u0103, nu neap\u0103rat po\u021bi s\u0103 mergi cu ele doar pe electric, dar care conform\u00a0 codului fiscal curent, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.noulcodfiscal.ro\/titlu-9\/capitol-4\/articol-470.html\">articolul 470, aliniatul (3) <\/a>nu pot fi impozitate cu mai mult de 50% din valoarea de calcul pentru capacitatea lor cilindric\u0103. Cu mai pu\u021bin da, dar se hot\u0103r\u0103\u0219te la nivel de consilii locale. Sigur, codul fiscal se poate schimba, da-s eu sigur c\u0103 se va p\u0103stra porti\u021ba asta pentru golani, cel pu\u021bin \u00een Rom\u00e2nia.\u00a0 Sunt a\u0219a de sigur,\u00a0 c\u0103 eu \u00eemi c\u0103utam\u00a0 un Lexus RX350h ( un SUV d-\u0103sta hibrid cu motor de 3.5 l\/ benzin\u0103) , prin 2013-14-15.\u00a0 M\u0103 uitam mai ales c\u0103 nu era taxa de \u00eenmatriculare la ele. Iar c\u00e2nd au re\u00eenceput \u0219i cu scutirile de impozite la hibride (2015), pre\u021bul unui SH de 2007-2008 ( la d-\u0103stea m\u0103 uitam eu) a s\u0103rit de la 10k EUR la 17-20k. Pentru o rabl\u0103 de 7 ani -atunci. At\u00e2t \u00een Rom\u00e2nia c\u00e2t \u0219i \u00een Germania. \u0218i le-am dat la muie, evident.\u00a0 A\u0219a c\u0103 d-aia zic.<\/p>\n<p>M\u0103 uitam amuzat la o reclam\u0103 pe facebook de la prietenii mei &#8211; Hyundai.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/hyundai-ROmania.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"9807\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?attachment_id=9807#main\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/hyundai-ROmania.png\" data-orig-size=\"505,563\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"hyundai ROmania\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/hyundai-ROmania.png\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-9807\" src=\"http:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/hyundai-ROmania.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"505\" height=\"563\" srcset=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/hyundai-ROmania.png 505w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/hyundai-ROmania-269x300.png 269w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 505px) 100vw, 505px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Frumoas\u0103 ma\u0219in\u0103, \u00eenlocuitorul la ce am eu acum. \u0218tiu, nu v\u0103 place , coreeni, suspensii proaste etc &#8211; nu-mi pas\u0103.\u00a0 Cost\u0103 50k euro nou\u0103, deci nu la nou\u0103 m\u0103 uit\u00a0 :), c\u0103 \u00eenc\u0103 nu am \u00eennebunit. M\u0103 uit la asta peste 3-4 ani. Doar c\u0103 dac\u0103 a\u0219 lua-o acum a\u0219 observa o chestie:<\/p>\n<p>Au un singur motor,\u00a0<strong>diesel,\u00a0<\/strong> de 2.2l \u0219i 200 de cai. Motorul e bun, are putere mai mic\u0103 dec\u00e2t am eu acum, deh, norme de poluare EURO6, miniaturizare, ce s\u0103-i faci &#8211; vremurile. Dar e cam idiotic s\u0103 pl\u0103te\u0219ti acum 50k pe un motor diesel cu o putere cam mic\u0103, raportat\u0103 la mastodont. Sunt curios\u00a0 cu c\u00e2t se vinde ma\u0219ina asta SH \u0219i \u0219ti\u021bi de ce?<\/p>\n<p>Eu am luat rabla mea cu 15k.\u00a0 E fabricat\u0103 \u00een 2009, dar a stat pe stoc la importator p\u00e2n\u0103 \u00een 2012 &#8211; c\u0103 a fost un mare success. A-ha. A\u0219a sunt, cred, toate Veracruzurile din Rom\u00e2nia.\u00a0 Le-au adus \u00een 2009, \u00een \u00eencercarea de a da lovitura cu ele \u0219i a le vinde la cam 40k EUR.\u00a0 Dar erau euro 4 de 3 litri diesel. Fix atunci s-a f\u0103cut shift-ul la Euro 5, cred, \u0219i au setat taxa de prima \u00eenmatriculare pe la 6k EUR. S\u0103 dai at\u00e2\u021bia bani la o ma\u0219ina nou\u0103? Dap. Au r\u0103mas pe stoc. Colegul meu a cump\u0103rat-o nou\u0103 \u00een noiembrie 2012, dup\u0103 ce a pl\u0103tit Hyundai taxa aia \u0219i a redus pre\u021bul de la c\u00e2t era la 33k. St\u0103tuse 3 ani pe stoc, ce dracu.\u00a0 Chit ca cu 0 kilometri. E ca la femei: domnisoara, nedomnisoara, ai trecut de 30 cam scade valoarea de piata. Eu am luat-o cu 15k \u00een iunie 2015. V\u0103 face\u021bi voi calculele mai departe, dac\u0103 merit\u0103 sau nu. Eu zic c\u0103 nu prea.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/GrandSantaFe2017.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"9808\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/?attachment_id=9808#main\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/GrandSantaFe2017.png\" data-orig-size=\"992,448\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"GrandSantaFe2017\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/GrandSantaFe2017.png\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-9808\" src=\"http:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/GrandSantaFe2017.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"992\" height=\"448\" srcset=\"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/GrandSantaFe2017.png 992w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/GrandSantaFe2017-300x135.png 300w, https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/GrandSantaFe2017-768x347.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 992px) 100vw, 992px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Factorul 2 &#8211; <strong>Samsarii.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Din <a href=\"http:\/\/www.digi24.ro\/stiri\/economie\/bani-afaceri\/guvern-cine-vinde-mai-mult-de-doua-masini-pe-an-plateste-impozit-818463\"><strong>2018<\/strong> <\/a>li se preg\u0103te\u0219te ceva legislativ. Cine vinde mai mult de 2 ma\u0219ini \u00eentr-un an e numit automat <em>comer\u00e7ant<\/em> \u0219i i se va percepe impozit pe venituri \u0219i contribu\u021bii la bugetul asigur\u0103rilor sociale &#8211; pl\u0103te\u0219te, nenea, pensiile la votan\u021bii lu&#8217; partid, p\u0103i nu? Si e de cacat cand u esti organizat juridic si iti iau astia venituri dracu stie ce: Ori tot ce incasezi, ori diferenta de pret, ori pula mea. Desigur, poti sa te certi cu ei, da-n justitie.<\/p>\n<p>Pe de alt\u0103 parte, \u0219tiu din surse sigure c\u0103 deja a t\u0103b\u0103r\u00e2t fiscul pe cei cu multe tranzac\u021bii auto (le-au luat dup\u0103 contractele de v\u00e2nzare cump\u0103rare de la v\u00e2nz\u0103tor, chit ca nu le-au \u00eenmatriculat sau\u00a0 \u00eenregistrat fiscal pe numele lor pe cele samsarite \u00een Rom\u00e2nia, c\u0103 a\u0219a face un samsar adev\u0103rat. Pe cele aduse din DE\/NL\/UK cam a trebuit sa le treaca pe numele lor, pentru numere rosii). Le-au trimis note de plat\u0103 acas\u0103 , iar unele se ridic\u0103 pe la 40k EUR.\u00a0 Ceea ce schimb\u0103 un pic jocul. Nu prea-\u021bi mai convine s\u0103 faci Germania \u0219i Olanda ca liber profesionist. Ori \u00ee\u021bi deschizi o firma \u0219i \u00eenve\u021bi s\u0103 furi statul legal, ori te la\u0219i de meserie c\u0103 te fut ei de nu te vezi.<\/p>\n<p>Mai pu\u021bini samsari \u00eenseamna mai multe ma\u0219ini disponibile pe pia\u021b\u0103.\u00a0 \u0218tiu c\u0103 nu vi se pare a\u0219a, dar multe ma\u0219ini sunt blocate \u00eentr-un fel de stoc de investi\u021bii samsaresc. Practic, tot ce apare la v\u00e2nzare de la proprietar, la pre\u021b bun, e \u00eenh\u0103\u021bat imediat de un speculant, iar ma\u0219ina r\u0103m\u00e2ne la el, p\u00e2n\u0103 c\u00e2nd cineva plate\u0219te marginea lor de profit.\u00a0 C\u00e2t timp grupul de intermediari e semnificativ de mare \u00eenc\u00e2t s\u0103 poat\u0103 absorbi\u00a0 cele mai multe ma\u0219ini puse \u00een v\u00e2nzare de priva\u021bi, sau pe toate care-s puse \u00een condi\u021bii rezonabile, ei controleaz\u0103 pia\u021ba. E normal.\u00a0 Au investit \u00een stoc, \u00eel pot \u021bine blocat c\u00e2t timp vor \u0219i singura \u0219ans\u0103 ca ei s\u0103 fie nevoi\u021bi s\u0103 deblogeze stocul e s\u0103 apar\u0103 pe pia\u021b\u0103 mai multe ma\u0219ini atractive dec\u00e2t pot ei cump\u0103ra, sau costurile lor de operare s\u0103 nu mai fac\u0103 business-ul atractiv.<\/p>\n<p>Economie de baz\u0103.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Toat\u0103 lumea pe care-o cunosc se uit\u0103 s\u0103 cumpere acum ma\u0219ini aduse din Str\u0103inezia, de frica c\u0103 vor pune\u00a0\u0103\u0219tia\u00a0 din nou timbru de mediu sub&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":9805,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[104,1],"tags":[2154,443,58,2156,54,2155],"class_list":["post-9804","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-rabla","category-uncategorized","tag-diesel","tag-ix55","tag-masini-second-hand","tag-masuri-anaf","tag-samsari","tag-taxe-auto"],"views":3743,"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/BENZ-duba.png","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p4Eq23-2y8","jetpack-related-posts":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9804","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=9804"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9804\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":9811,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9804\/revisions\/9811"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/9805"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=9804"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=9804"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/catalinx.ro\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=9804"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}